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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 13:55:13 GMT -5
I quote: "In some sources she's described as a demon, in others she is an icon who became one of the darkest deities of the pagans. Lilith is one of the oldest known female spirits of the world. Her roots come from the famous Epic of Gilgamesh, but she was also described in the Bible and the Talmud. Isa 34:14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl "liyliyth" also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest. In Jewish tradition, she is the most notorious demon, but in some other sources she appears as the first woman created on Earth. According to a legend, God formed Lilith as the first woman. He did it in the same way as he created Adam. The only difference was that in place of pure dust, he also used filth and residue. Traditionally Lilith means ''the night'', and she is related to attributes connected with the spiritual aspects of sensuality and freedom, but also terror. The ancient demon of Sumerians Lilith’s name comes from the Sumerian word ''lilitu'', which meant a wind spirit or a female demon. Lilith was mentioned in the Tablet XII of the Epic of Gilgamesh, a famous poem of ancient Mesopotamia dated back to not later than c. 2100 BC. The tablet was added to the original text much later, c. 600 BC, in its later Assyrian and Akkadian translations. She appears in a magical story, where she represents the branches of a tree. She is described with other demons, but researchers still argue if she was a demon or a dark goddess. At the same time, she appeared in early Jewish sources, so it is difficult to find out who mentioned her first. However, it is obvious that from the beginning of her existence in the texts she was related to Sumerian witchcraft. It is assumed this once mentioned word in Isaih 34:14 is this Being? I cannot find any Jewish website confirming this as a popular belief? Seems pagan to me? Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 14, 2019 17:32:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 15:43:20 GMT -5
Why do you even consider this lillith as a Hebrew concept, based on one Hebrew verse?
Why invent fables around it? How do you know it not invented by Satan to confuse you?
lillith is a class of demons as the video says...
What does Scripture say about demons? and where they come from?
disembodied soul?? really looking for mortals to enter?? What does Hebrew say about this?
Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
This Hebrew says clearly, do NOT consult those who speak of familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter, concerning the dead... isn't that clear?
Does the torah (first five books of Moses) speak of these things? No
Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
I fear your swayed into the traditions of men...
choshek God called night. This is interesting. Have you studied choshek?
Job 3:2 And Job spake, and said, 3 Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived. 4 Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it. 5 Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it; let a cloud dwell upon it; let the blackness of the day terrify it. 6 As for that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months.
Different Hebrew words for darkness here... darkness and the shadow of death... is interesting....
Job 10:21 Before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death; 22 A land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness. (KJV)
Interesting here too
Ps 18:11 He made darkness his secret place;
Ps 104:20 Thou makest darkness, and it is night: wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep forth. Ps 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.
Notice the living are created to be alive by the Holy Spirit... it is not ours to own. nor any creature...
Ps 107:10 ¶ Such as sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, being bound in affliction and iron; 11 Because they rebelled against the words of God, and contemned the counsel of the most High: 12 Therefore he brought down their heart with labour; they fell down, and there was none to help. 13 Then they cried unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saved them out of their distresses. 14 He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death, and brake their bands in sunder.
Notice choshek is a place of relationship to GOD, rather than a place per se.
Ps 139:11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. 13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. 14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. 15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. 17 ¶ How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! 18 If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee. 19 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. 20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. 21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? 22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies. 23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: 24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. (KJV)
Here the context of choshek is about relationship to GOD, rather than a place per se.
Pr 2:13 Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness; 14 Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked;
Again choshek is a path of walking away from GOD to choose ra more and more.
So in context, light is a walking towards GOD and night is a walking away from GOD.
choshek is making sense to me? Is it to you...? just read through all the contexts...
Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Here we are told to make choshek = night = ra and light=good= salvation
They are opposites...
Anyone who makes tov and ra together naturally are making this a woe!
Isa 9:2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.
Again choshek is about relationship to GOD, not a place per se.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. 8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
These verses go together...
light = peace = tov = salvation = relationship with GOD
night = choshek = ra = wickedness = no relationship with GOD
No cannot naturally bring these together, as Jews claim, they are opposites... you have to study all the lines upon lines and put all the contexts together.
Isa 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. 20 ¶ Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
Again night = choshek = ra = wickedness = no relationship with GOD = a graven image and praying to a Being who cannot save.
Isa 47:5 Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.
choshek is a simile of relationship, even whole nations like Babylon
Isa 49:9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.
Hospitals today on the high hills, we live today in relationships to choshek
You can finish off this study, how does choshek cross reference Greek and the NT?
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Post by Dave on Nov 16, 2019 11:45:35 GMT -5
Lillith is Tanak – therefore Hebrew – therefore relevant I did not invent anything – I reported wht I found in supporting evidence (Kabbalah) How does your view of the Tanak being 100% inspired and correct correlate with “How do you know it not invented by Satan to confuse you?” Do you find me guilty of necromancy? www.islamweb.net/en/article/88495/islam-and-fortune-tellingThere are among mankind people who claim knowledge of the unseen and the future. They are known by various names, among which are: fortune-tellers, soothsayers, foreseers, augurs, magicians, prognosticators, oracles, astrologers, palmists, etc. Fortune-tellers use various methods and mediums from which they claim to extract their information, among which are: reading tea-leaves, drawing lines, writing numbers, palm-reading, casting horoscopes, crystal ball gazing, rattling bones, throwing sticks, etc. Practitioners of occult arts, who claim to reveal the unseen and predict the future, can be divided into two main categories:
1. Those who have no real knowledge or secrets but depend on telling their customers about general incidences which happen to most people. … (intuitives – best example – Johnathan Edwards – to teach my girls what an intuitive is we watch some episode of the TV show “Psych”)
2. The second group are those who have made contact with the Jinn. This group is of most importance because it usually involves the grave sin of Shirk (associating others with Allah), and those involved often tend to be fairly accurate in their information and thus present a real Fitnah (trial and temptation) for both Muslims and non-Muslims alike.
deception – being deceived – falling for the deceiver - fooled tricked My two second paraphrase – by looking back at how I used it in my past Any movement toward RA is a deception and a the goal of the deceiver
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 17:30:30 GMT -5
How does your view of the Tanak being 100% inspired and correct correlate with “How do you know it not invented by Satan to confuse you?”
I don't. I find GOD saved stiff necks near Mt Sinai, within days were already sinning... so the Bible deals with stiff necks, not true followers....
Ex 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do.
This statement is telling GOD they don't understand salvation.
We ponder confusion at best... I try to reduce my confusion, by sticking to simple things... things where lots of Scripture is written...
choshek
You didn't write much about this? How about we do a study of choshek ?
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Post by Dave on Nov 17, 2019 7:15:14 GMT -5
We ponder confusion at best... I try to reduce my confusion, by sticking to simple things... things where lots of Scripture is written... Yet you limit your study only to the Roman Canon and then you say only the Texus Receptus - which is a Greek Septugent OT Courious
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 13:31:04 GMT -5
Maybe. How about we do a study of choshek ?
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Post by Dave on Nov 18, 2019 5:17:30 GMT -5
I don't think it that hard
Deception is the beginning of forgetfulness Any forgetting that God is the absolute is in error – it is a direction way from God is absolute – it is RA Deception is the idea that it is OK to forget that God is absolute
In the Gap – (Aeon one) – something happened that was arrogant – it was feminine The first aeon is a feminine first creation that ended with RA Reset Aeon two is a male first creation – and still the feminine chose RA
For a Gnostic – this is the same story – one in heaven above - The famine and the choice of RA One on earth below – Eve and her choice of RA (disobedience – forgetting that God is absolute – deception)
You are going to say I am wrong – but I read with my heart – not with a dictionary
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