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Post by Dave on Sept 23, 2021 9:46:14 GMT -5
I followed your presentation, and agree that it is logical and sound, if you follow the tanak with the added words of wisdom from so called Jewish prophets, other than Moses, Ezekiel and Isaiah. “so called” – your negative attitude shoe through in spades
Question: How do you tell the difference between an inspired prophet and a false prophet? If a false prophet is proven to be false, than their writings should be expelled from Scripture. You were wrong about καθίστημι – you are a false prophet
Why do you say you demand perfection – but do not - hypocrite Ezk does not agree with Numbers – which book must go? Mat does not agree with Luke – which book should go? Steven - Acts 16 does not agree with Moses = which book must go? Have you taken those 64 Enoch verse out of your agl? If King Solomon wrote heresy – should we remove all of him from the ahl? Rome say – every one of the agl authors (except Jude) wrote heresy Why do you say you demand perfection – but do not - hypocrite
Question: How do you tell the difference between an inspired prophet and a false prophet? The only valid answer = precept upon precept, lime upon line scripture must validate itself
Question: How do you tell the difference between an inspired prophet and a false prophet? Your standard is perfect or useless error But what you really mean – if you will finally admit it – your standard is Rome approved or not This is what you have been taught by church and tradition – it is doctrine
Before Rome – before organized Christian canon – there was no organized canon – the Jews never hand a Book they called the Bible – they had a Temple Library filled with literature
Knowledge and instructions passed down to them through all of their history – They respected it – they kept it all. BUT THEY WEIGHTED IT! – How can I get you to understand this![/b][/font]
Example – Moses and the Torah = 100% fact and inspired
The Mid Rash – Legends of the Jews – is there true in them – sure – what else did they write about , Moses, their Kings, their interaction with – wait for it – baal, molech, dogon, and other nations. The Mid Rash contains shopping lists and love letters – ancient Hebrew writing – preserved and respected
Enoch – if you know what he says – he is echoed in the ahl - and agl in spades next only to Isaiah Is Enoch 100% fact and inspired as Moses – NO Is Enoch a total lie – NO
If you listen to the Rabbis speak – they will refer to Enoch once in a while – but they do not preach Enoch
If you listen to a Rabbi speak – he will refer to King Solomon – but they do not preach King Solomon
There are 46 other BOOKS mentioned with scripture itself as credible sources of information / data Does this mean they are 100% inspired fact as Moses and the Torah – NO Does this mean they are worthless error – NO
The Jews – respect it all – and they weight it all Paul – was a Jew – he wrote – test it all and keep the good[/font]
Only Rome demands ignorance! Only Rome prevents you from reading anything! Only Rome tells you to believe only what they tell you
Now this comes from Adam Clark, so if this is incorrect, show me a Jewish idea of what was considered the prophets. But one thing is clear, all the writings have to agree with Moses writings.
Yes Robert – test it all – and keep that which agrees with the Torah Have I ever done otherwise?
Now this comes from Adam Clark, so if this is incorrect, show me a Jewish idea of what was considered the prophets. You are frustrated because I cannot deliver a Jewish Commentary about a Roman Catholic Doctrine of Fallen Angels – it does not exist
You are frustrated because no rabbi will touch your cherub chata as an angle sinned and became the satan And why won’t a Rabbi go there? precept upon precept, line upon line prevents them Ex 25 – make two cherub and place them on the Ark of the Covenant Ex 20 – make no graven images of ANYTHING of heaven
Cherub – must means more than just an angel – or only an angel Tradition has interpreted the Cherubs to represent anything from a child to a man, woman to an angel, from a bird to a Torah scholar. Ancient Near Eastern evidence answers this uncertainty, or at least tells us what the Cherubim originally meant.
All of the authors of the agl (save Luke) were Jews – they would have believed as the Rabbis do – as Jews do. All of the audience of Jesus understood the reference to Beelzebub. The spiritual teaching of Enoch was not new information – even the concept of resurrection had been fully taught for 150 years before Jesus was born.
The agl adds the Beast that just appeared in a plurality – the Beast – who is the serpent – who is a biological life form – who are the ‘other gods’ of the 99% - who are the devils from the 99% - who are the satanas from the 99% because they are of Chaldean origin
Finally the Messianic Jews understand who Beelzebub and the shedim are – who are also of biology and act as ‘poltergeist’ – trouble makers – manipulators – of nature (wind/rain/disease) And because they can manipulate nature – ignorant of YHWY men of the 99% fell for their tricks as gods – ‘other gods’ – not just Baal and Moloch – but also Zeus and Athena – Oden and Thor – Aboriginal spirits - Native American spirits – South American spirits – South Pacific spirits – etc – all of the 99% is scriptural.
Roman Christianity wants you to believe all of this is just pagan myth – not real BULL SHIT – it is all 100% real – the Jews faced it daily in the ahl – and they are still facing it today!
The agl – ads the call of Christianity is to become spiritual / spirit to spirit communion This has always been the call from the ahl – some found it – we call them prophets – men who spoke with God – First Fruits – who could spiritually discern / understand
Most of Israel were believers and trapped within the history of the 1% facing off with the 99%
The agl is no longer about the 1% facing off with the 99% It is all about you! Personally! – Your struggle – and our real struggle is the Beast of Revelation – the serpent race – the Chaldeans satanas and devils – the archon – the Principalities Eph 6 – our real struggle
Cherub chata that results in the Catholic doctrine of Fallen Angels - never existed until Rome invented it
All biological creatures are programmed with the instinct for SELF-preservation (yester ra) Is that evil? Are cows, termites, or wasp evil – no they are simply applying self-preservation instinct to grow and multiply as God Commanded?
Is the Beast evil – the Best is the personification of entropy Build it up – and the Best will wear it down God creates – and it is waiting to devour / consume Why is the Beast waiting to consume – because it is made of matter and matter is corruptible – decays – wears down – erodes – entropy God creates with the Right hand of God – Christ Entropy – the Beast – the anti-creation – is of the Left Hand of God the hand of mystery
What does entropy have to do with scripture – we are on a time limit 5500 yrs God told Adam – a future Day will come (Heb 4) – We are building up to that day – as time wears down to that day Time is counting down – entropy
Many have seen the end coming – as do I – end-of-days? – Certainly a catastrophic global population collapse in on the near horizon But the one point they all miss – Time is not linear and I will never be a date setter
Gnostic writings from John, James, Peter, Paul, Phillip, and Thomas all speak of these Principalities, shedim, which they called archon.
Why do the ancient Jews call then shedim – because they are Jewish Why do the First Century authors call then archon – because they wrote in Greek Why does the 1611 KJV call the Principalities - because it is 1611 English Names do not matters – all the same entity
Am I saying that the evil / satanic / evil spirits / shadow people / demons are not real – NO 100% very real – FYI – Islam does more exorcisms that does the Roman Catholic Church Of course it is a full part of the archon
But – the archon have most of the world trapped with world – the archon never have to interact with you like Job – you are already led astray by (yester ra) and the WORLD However – JOB was a righteous guy – now the archon get in your face directly
Can they appear to you as demons – sure – of course If the devil appeared today – all would turn to God tomorrow Instead – they appear as anything to distract you – a reptilian – a UFO – a god – a slick preacher trying to sell you a used car
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 13:35:31 GMT -5
D"If the devil appeared today – all would turn to God tomorrow
R" Not sure I would agree here, can you unpack your meaning here please?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 13:54:23 GMT -5
I listened to some of your other videos, and found you guilty of changing the words of the speaker to suit your own slant on your view. You are deceiving your readers / listeners Dave. D" I have great respect for Chuck Misler - his presentation of satanR" Really, you should read his presentation: Missler says "Satan is always opposed to God and man's best interests". Dave I am surprised by your Missler, he differs so much from you. D" 2:30 - satan can only act with the permission of God - All Ra is father filteredR" that should give you comfort, Missler does say this sort of... D" 4:30 - The Archon are real and active todayR" Dave, Missler does not say this, he does not use the word "archon" he uses the word "demons". Next Missler video on demons: 2:02 Idolatry is the worship of demons.... D" 2:10 - only one devile (overseer) + many demnons (Archon)R" You are deceiving your listeners Dave, adding words Missler does not say.
You change the word demons to archons. Missler does not say this Shalom
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 14:04:01 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrQ6FdJu8XYThis is only video comes close to Missler saying anything about the alien race? He does not mention the word "archon", only the suggest that God maybe in the end of time, use such weird creatures to play some part in a war against God. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Sept 23, 2021 14:24:26 GMT -5
D"If the devil appeared today – all would turn to God tomorrow R" Not sure I would agree here, can you unpack your meaning here please? DUH – are you this dull in real life? If a being came out today and said – I am satan – follow me and we will take the world away from God – the only thing your satan would be doing is validating God for the world. – DUH
I listened to some of your other videos, and found you guilty of changing the words of the speaker to suit your own slant on your view. You are deceiving your readers / listeners Dave Missler says "Satan is always opposed to God and man's best interests". Agreed – satanas is always oppsed to man best interest – can Chuck Missler help from being a traditional Christian – with traditional Christian vocabulary?
Dave I am surprised by your Missler, he differs so much from you. D" 2:30 - satan can only act with the permission of God - All Ra is father filtered R" that should give you comfort, Missler does say this sort of... I posted 2:10 - only one devile (overseer) + many demnons (Archon) satan has locality - but has a large staff His words verbatim – satan has locality. Satan cannot be everywhere at once. God can but satan cannot, but, satan has lots of lieutenants
D" 4:30 - The Archon are real and active today R" Dave, Missler does not say this, he does not use the word "archon" he uses the word "demons". Let me see – have I ever said this before - names do not matter The Jews called them shedim The Greeks called them archon The English call them demons Islam calls then Jinn The Chaldeans call then satanas The agl called them the Beast of revelation – the serpent race – the devils and satanas of Chaldean origin – the gods of the 99%
You get all confused over names and words because you want to be an ASS
Next Missler video on demons: 2:02 Idolatry is the worship of demons.... YEP I all of the ‘other gods’ of the 99% engaged in idols and the such
D" 2:10 - only one devil (overseer) + many demnons (Archon) R" You are deceiving your listeners Dave, adding words Missler does not say. His words verbatim – satan has locality. Satan cannot be everywhere at once. God can but satan cannot, but, satan has lots of lieutenants
You change the word demons to archons. Missler does not say this You get all confused over names and words because you want to be an ASS
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 14:32:30 GMT -5
youtu.be/xWRewJ0tJT0Old Testament Prophets: Ezekiel 28. The King of Tyre YouTube · 1,000+ views · 29/9/2020 · by DrJohnStevenson He presents two views, I am trying to see your balance ... The poetry he presents is nice. King Tyre made the temple for the Jews, which was a figure of Eden. But King Tyre fell, and becomes a sinner. The simile poetry pictures of a simile have to match things that are similar, and are representations of each other. I see parallels here to a cherub that sinned, is the same as King Tyre that sinned. That is what poetry parallels do. Like my poem Love is a river, a dam fed you some, beautiful was it's water, traditionally done. Similes make parallels that closely resemble each other. Water is a simile of love. A human husband a simile of the river dam. The dam controls the flow of love discharged into the stream. The husband's flow of water is traditionally done, beautiful. This is how parallel poetry works. And the Bible is full of such picture similes. I cannot find any Jewish rabbi speaking of Ezekiel 28 poetry parallel. It seems they ignore the passage, and thus a huge chunk of wisdom goes missing. Shalom
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 14:36:24 GMT -5
D"You get all confused over names and words because you want to be an ASS R" Dave a true science person must quote the data correctly.
I am not trying to be difficult, but it seems you are using Missler to push your own agenda.
Different words, establish a different meaning...
What about Missler's presentation "Satan always opposes God".... that is clear isn't it?
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Post by Dave on Sept 23, 2021 17:20:06 GMT -5
D"You get all confused over names and words because you want to be an ASS R" Dave a true science person must quote the data correctly. Names do not matter – by what ever name you call upon the lord it is still the Lord If I call upon YHWY – some else used Jehovah – some say Jesus Christ – some say the father Are we calling upon different Gods? You want to play a word game – so that scripture is corrupt
I am not trying to be difficult, but it seems you are using Missler to push your own agenda. Missler believes and teaches that HIS SATAN IS THE COMMANDER OF MANY LEUTENENTS Yes – this is an absolute agreement with the Beast or revelation You want to play a word game – so that scripture is corrupt
Different words, establish a different meaning... Names do not matter – just how many different names are there for God? – 100s So according to you there must be 100s of Gods You want to play a word game – so that scripture is corrupt
What about Missler's presentation "Satan always opposes God".... that is clear isn't it? Question – is Chuck Missler a Muslim? – Is he a Jew? No – he is a mainstream Judeo-Christian – how should he sound like – a Muslim? Chuck Missler fully preaches the spirit – just like a Jew – or a Gnostic Christian Do you?
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Post by Richard on Sept 24, 2021 3:59:29 GMT -5
But evolution says that there has never been a global ocean on this planet. Evolution is the science of the origin of biological life, therefor evolution does not say this. I see that we are discussing the planet once again. I have had this video bookmarked for a while now meaning to pass it on. I have been wondering what you think of it. 2 Chronicles 20:9 ESV ‘If disaster comes upon us, the sword, judgment, or pestilence, or famine, we will stand before this house and before you—for your name is in this house—and cry out to you in our affliction, and you will hear and save.’ Evolution says that the earth was originally a hot, molten lava ball which over millions of years cooled to develop a hard crust and an atmosphere. Eventually the earth developed an irregular topography (hills and valleys) and rainfall gradually filled in some of the low spots to form localized seas. Just so there is no confusion about this, look at this series of pictures from a geology book produced by the Institute of Geological Sciences in London, England (an evolutionist institution). Next to these pictures on the same page the author writes: Evolution is the science of the origin of biological life, therefor evolution does not say this. Dr. Hugh Ross, a progressive creationist, was badly uninformed when he told viewers of TV program seven of The Great Debate, on the John Ankerberg Show (aired in March 2006), that in the standard big bang cosmology, “the earth begins with water over the whole surface.” Dr. Ross is simply wrong. Uninformed? Evolution is the science of the origin of biological life, therefor evolution does not say this. Institute of Geological Sciences is not (an evolutionist institution). There are facts, and your facts, and his facts; but it is always how you present the facts. Real science never has to misrepresent the information. Real science should only be concerned about facts, not the attitude, or the bias. Science validates Genisis 1 - History validates Romans 1 Why isn't every Christian on the planet excited by this - I am Scripture is alive and real - anywhere you look - everywhere you lookThe Creation Institute - has a different agenda - take sides - be ignorant - argue reality - we are right and they are wrong It is as harmful to the faith as end times predictions that come and go and nothing happens Well said! Rob says" The notion that GOD cannot create functionally is blasphemy.Balance is functional – you think that the world was a magical kingdom or a fairy tale Well said! D" You get all confused over names and words because you want to be an ASSR" Dave a true science person must quote the data correctly. Like Don Patton? Rob comments" Not a single comment of the "cherub chata" passage. The words are ignored. Not even considered Obviously some angel sinned.Obvious to who – only youWhy dose God require Israel to make images of heavenly angels for the Ark of the Covenant to keep the 10 Commandment that demand no images of heavenly thingsDoes scripture contradict itself? Dose God contradict himself? Tell me how your theology is consistent with God laws – you say God cannot breakProve to me that the Hebrew word cherub only means an angel from heaven This has been an interesting thing to read. I might have to bring this up in group.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 15:22:38 GMT -5
Greetings Richard,
Please defend your views, Richard so others can clarify their views.
Richard says" Evolution is the science of the origin of biological life, therefor evolution does not say this.
Rob replies" Not sure what you are implying, but you seem to think evolution is only about biological changes to biology. Have you not heard of the big bang, the stellar evolution of stars? Being a Christian in God I suppose you allow evolution into the biological side of creation?
Actually evolution does not have an answer of the origin of life.
Your video speaks of Australia having a rock sea bed containing lots of 18 isotope oxygen in it suggesting the earth was a giant water ball. And this sea bed is 3.8 billion year old.
I have so many questions here I doubt you can answer them all.
Dave says time cannot be measured on earth for some reason, seems like the past time is relative to the speed of earth, so he ignores all time measuring. But you both forget one thing, a reader of Scripture can count time, simply by doing maths, you add up the dates and ages of each person, hence the earth was created some 6,000 years ago. So where and how do you believe in a rock bed still around some 3.8 billion years ago. What, didn't the flood of Noah have smashed the evidence to bits? Didn't the Noachian flood contaminate the isotope levels of atoms?
But you believe God makes things flawed. imperfect. with natural ra, volcanoes, smoke, jagged mountain ranges, things decomposing, meat eating animals, etc, including entropy, for some billions of years yet contained in the days of a single week??
Richard says " There are facts, and your facts, and his facts; but it is always how you present the facts. Real science never has to misrepresent the information. Real science should only be concerned about facts, not the attitude, or the bias."
Rob replies" Are you real? or easily misled? Science has always twisted data to suit agenda. In my university days a true science person does not reject data, but we do sensationalize data using graphs to highlight a conclusion we wish to augment. We stretch data to fit, sometimes we even publish experiments we know to work, while ignoring others.
Ask a geologist how rocks are determined for their age? Carbon 14 for example, you take a piece of wood for analysis and they ask you what age are you looking for?
Dave pointed out correctly the soft tissues in dino bones, and the ica stones showing humans played with dinosaurs in the past.
Why Don Patton was doing a dig showing human foot prints in a bed rock with dinosaur foot prints in the USA, so after an evolutionist heard this he took a ticket flew to the USA and with a crowbar destroyed the evidence. Is this science allowing data to be preserved?
You say "Real science never has to misrepresent the information." so explain why they destroy the evidence? Why does Turkey stop science from investigating Noahs ark on the mountain?
Don Patton took a team there, one member was killed as a spy by the Turkey armies...why so much hostility over evidence and the facts ?
Ron Wyatt found the ark of the covenant, in the 1980's; and the Israel government has hidden it from the public, again why do the science people hide the facts of the Bible?
Why do public schools forbid the teaching of Intelligent Design, yet we can teach evolution? The random processes of making the information on the DNA come to more functional code.
I ask you, can added information come from natural means by random natural process? No. Information comes from a Designer, so why the hostility? I was a teacher for 27 years, taught both sides for years, and without bias for young learners, but in secular schools it is against the law to teach the Bible view. I am surprised at your comments Richard.
Richard supports Dave's post "Why dose God require Israel to make images of heavenly angels for the Ark of the Covenant to keep the 10 Commandment that demand no images of heavenly things?
Rob replies? Can't you read Dave's sentence?
Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
The key to this command is "other" no other elohiym powers before Gods' face.
Ex 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Follow the context. What context, the command above? You are not to make an image using God's creation, that looks like "other elohiym powers before Gods' face."
Again the key is "other".
Now in our SDA church, we have nothing in front of us, nothing at all. However the Jews had a curtain with angels in gold in it. Some churches have a picture of Creation to look at. Most have nothing, but the building wall of brick, wood or glass.
What was the ark of the covenant designed to be a picture of? God's throne in heaven, where God sits.
So what is wrong with a picture of this I ask?
Richard supports Dav's post :- "Balance is functional – you think that the world was a magical kingdom or a fairy tale Well said!"
Rob replies" Well what was a very good creation like for mankind than Richard? Do you preach to your listeners what Creation was like ? This implies what God is like?
Dave thinks my view of God and His Creation is "a magical kingdom or a fairy tale" And you agree with Dave.
OK Richard what is your God and His Creation like? Care to elaborate?
Let me guess, a flawed world, with decomposers, natural death, meat eating animals, billions of years with ice ages, volcanoes and jagged mountain uplifts, with clouds, rain and other radioactive deluges on the earth, a god who cannot create without ra, so makes things with a balance of good and bad functional things in it?
If I made a flying jumbo jet with 6 million parts, a few components were malfunctioning, but mostly worked, that is fine to you. Yet I declare my machine very functional.
Consider the DNA genes of mankind, today chromosome 2 is stuck, so originally there were 24 genes, not the 23 genes we have today? Something got lost early in our falling into sin. How come the pineal gland doesn't work Richard, for some it does with training.
But than you like Dave says, man developed from some humanoid things, and over a billion years we are the result of all this chao already in us, long before we sinned. Natural defects.
When I tried to show Dave there are two major trees in the Garden, He ignored this idea. He see only one tree, the tree of tov and ra.
Re 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
No mention of the tree of tov and ra, only the tree of life is here. What is the tree of life? A tree that represents GOD. A tree of tov.
What than is the tree of tov and ra, and how did this additional tree get into the garden of God's design? Obviously the serpent sinned, and so He was allowed to be functionally displayed as this tree.
Why is this tree called tov and ra, because ra on it's own cannot exist.
Without God nothing exists, not even ra. So were does RA come from? From creatures who wish to sin, so God creates the ra affect they wish to have.
Hence your 18 isotope on oxygen came in rapidly when the world experienced a sin event, from humans who sin, the global flood event destroyed the water canopy and billions of radiation flooded the planet, changing the oxygen isotopes for the first time. Try to understand my brevity of words, instead of misquoting me, all humans write idioms because we are like this. Scripture is no exception. Ask questions instead of mocking, and write more, instead of being brief.
Richard says "This has been an interesting thing to read. I might have to bring this up in group
Rob replies? What is interesting. You write brief brevity.
Enjoy your Shabbat in the Lord. A ceasing day.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Sept 25, 2021 0:55:19 GMT -5
Richard says" Evolution is the science of the origin of biological life, therefor evolution does not say this.
Rob replies" Not sure what you are implying, but you seem to think evolution is only about biological changes to biology. Have you not heard of the big bang, the stellar evolution of stars? Being a Christian in God I suppose you allow evolution into the biological side of creation?(Wikipedia) Evolution is the process of change in all forms of life over generations, and evolutionary biology is the study of how evolution occurs. Biological populations evolve through genetic changes that correspond to changes in the organisms' observable traits. yourgenome.orghttps://www.yourgenome.org › facts › what-is-evolution What is evolution? | Facts |Feb 17, 2017 — The theory of evolution is based on the idea that all species? are related and gradually change over time. www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/theory-evolution/Theory of Evolution The theory of evolution is a shortened form of the term “theory of evolution by natural selection,” which was proposed by Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace in the nineteenth century. Have you not heard of the big bang, the stellar evolution of stars The Theory of the Big Bang is not the Theory of Evolution Which is the 17 or so theories about star formations are you referring?My friend Rich made a statement of fact –of course you must disagree with facts - then you slandered himI have so many questions here I doubt you can answer them all.
1 Dave says time cannot be measured on earth for some reason, seems like the past time is relative to the speed of earth, so he ignores all time measuring. I have explained this to you in detail – you refuse to hear me – SDA respect The math used to calculate radiometric dating is flawed – it is based on two false assumptions The false assumptions are – the amount in the past is the same as today They base that assumption on the second false assumption that the earth has always been the same size The math does not measure time – it measures volume Ancient earth was not older – it was larger If this is too complicated – let me know – we have discussed it in length and you pretend I do not have an opinion 2 But you believe God makes things flawed. imperfect. with natural ra, volcanoes, smoke, jagged mountain ranges, things decomposing, meat eating animals, etc, including entropy, for some billions of years yet contained in the days of a single week??Romans 1:19-20 say very clearly – INTELIGENT DESIGN is obviousWhat is that INTELIGENT DESIGN – such and intricate balance of nature on any scale we look at it The earth is a living thing – it grows – it breaths – it changes – and all of it speaks to balance and harmony on a GALACTIC SCALE – on a universal scale Does not matter if were are looking in a microscope – a telescope – or the history of humanity Balance and harmony in nature – intelligent design You deny Roman 1:19-20 and say everything we see is only the result of satanI give the praise to God – you praise some other godYou say "Real science never has to misrepresent the information." so explain why they destroy the evidence? What evidence dose science destroy?If you read me – you will find I write a lot about the Kock Brother’s conspiracy here in America – the denial and deliberate loosing of giant skulls and skeletons That is not science – The Koch Brothers are oil magnates and they have 2 agendas 1- corrupt the history to reinforce the idea of peak oil 2- denial of the rephiem – Nephilim – archon That is not a science agenda – it comes straight from the Vatican to hide the rephiem/Nephilim/archonWhy does Turkey stop science from investigating Noahs ark on the mountain? Don Patton took a team there, one member was killed as a spy by the Turkey armies...why so much hostility over evidence and the facts ?Robert – you say you went to college – and yet you pretend to be the most uninformed guy I have ever metHere is a fact you should know – Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Armenia are Muslim Countries You are confused why Muslim Countries don’t want to help validate Judaism or ChristianityRon Wyatt found the ark of the covenant, in the 1980's; and the Israel government has hidden it from the public, again why do the science people hide the facts of the Bible?Ecc 3:1 For everything there is a season and a time for every activity under heaven: Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven nor the Son, except the Father alone. I will trust in God’s Plan – You can question God if you choose – tell Him how wrong He is about everythingWhy do public schools forbid the teaching of Intelligent Design, yet we can teach evolution? Because – you live in a democratic country like AmericaSeparation between church and stateWhy do public schools forbid the teaching of Intelligent DesignThis is the role of the church – I said1- 1852 Darwin put for his theory of evolution He suggested that is explained the fossil record - over time - without God 2- 1925 Scopes Trial - Evolution is taught in schools as science - while creation is not taught in schools 3- The church failed to educate itself and was unable to defend its own doctrines in the face of public education Intelligent Design / Creation education is the role of religious education – the church has deliberately remained ignorant In the struggle for the education of the young – the school has a job to do – and they do it The church had a job to do – and they didn’t even tryRichard supports Dave's post "Why dose God require Israel to make images of heavenly angels for the Ark of the Covenant to keep the 10 Commandment that demand no images of heavenly things?
Rob replies? Can't you read Dave's sentence?Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. The key to this command is "other" no other elohiym powers before Gods' face. Ex 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Follow the context. What context, the command above? You are not to make an image using God's creation, that looks like "other elohiym powers before Gods' face." So – it is OK to make idols of God Himself and any of the angels – just not ‘other gods’Cool – what does your idol of your God look like?You – disrespect the word of God We are not to make any images as idols – period – of anything spiritual – in the heavens – or below Cherub – does not mean an angel – it can mean many things – a guardian You refuse to admit it because it disagrees with SDA/Roman doctrine of Fallen AngelsYou have a two god Great Controversy If Ezk does not mean an angel then ½ Controversy disappears Now in our SDA church, we have nothing in front of us, nothing at all. However the Jews had a curtain with angels in gold in it. Cherubs not angels – angels would violate the 10 CommandmentsWhen I tried to show Dave there are two major trees in the Garden, He ignored this idea. He see only one tree, the tree of tov and ra. God says there is a Tree of Life – OKGen 2:16 Then Adonai Elohim commanded the man saying, “From all the trees of the garden you are most welcome to eat. Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!” 1 – there are many trees in the garden 2- the is only one tree that came with a Commandment from God He see only one tree, the tree of tov and ra.STOP IT – if you cannot respect me – you should respect scripture We have discussed this over and over and yet you continue to repeat your lie IT IS THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE of tov and ra – or between tov and raNothing was invent new – created new – nothing changed EXCEPT the KNOWLEDGE of manSTOP IT – if you cannot respect me – you should respect scriptureWhy is this tree called tov and ra, because ra on it's own cannot exist. ABSOLUTE GARBAGE – Mr serious student – studying the word of GodRichard says "This has been an interesting thing to read. I might have to bring this up in group Rob replies? What is interesting. You write brief brevity. I doubt he was speaking to you
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Post by Nicole on Sept 25, 2021 8:06:36 GMT -5
Intelligent Design / Creation education is the role of religious education – the church has deliberately remained ignorant
In the struggle for the education of the young – the school has a job to do – and they do it
The church had a job to do – and they didn’t even try
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 15:20:40 GMT -5
Dave and Nicole posted "Intelligent Design / Creation education is the role of religious education – the church has deliberately remained ignorant
In the struggle for the education of the young – the school has a job to do – and they do it
The church had a job to do – and they didn’t even try
R" Well said, but the SDA church does try, I am sad we do not have our own geologist team researching into Intelligent Design, but some groups do.
You did show the Genesis account fully on the trees in the garden Dave: -
Ge 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
There are three groups of trees mentioned here, every tree is pleasant for food. The broad picture. Than the narrow picture
(1) The tree of life also in the middle of the Eden (2) The tree of good and evil also in the middle of Eden.
There are two major trees in the Eden. This is a fact.
In the new creation of earth and heaven, one major tree in the Eden, Tree of Life. The tree of good and evil also in the middle of Eden is REMOVED forever, because SIN removed forever.
These are facts from reading the genesis and revelation account. You do not present this correctly Dave.
D"So – it is OK to make idols of God Himself and any of the angels – just not ‘other gods’ R" That is my understanding of reading Exodus Dave. What is your opinion of these texts?
Just on the case of caution we have nothing in our church to represent God.
D"Cherub – does not mean an angel – it can mean many things – a guardian R" Well that's your opinion, my opinion is the cherub is an angel, the messengers of heaven, created by GOD as special close free will friends around His throne.
D"Here is a fact you should know – Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Armenia are Muslim Countries You are confused why Muslim Countries don’t want to help validate Judaism or Christianity
R" I see. Walter Veith presents the Muslim as an arm of the Roman Catholic. Both religions are always together if you go and see over there in their countries? I thought science is not concerned with religion, but facts of history? Isn't a boat on a huge flood a natural event about history? I find this is about stopping one religion dominating another religion.
If you look into the books on biological evolution, they do not want a divine foot in the door, All biological evolution must arise from natural consequences. This belief is itself a religion.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Sept 26, 2021 0:26:48 GMT -5
In the struggle for the education of the young – the school has a job to do – and they do it The church had a job to do – and they didn’t even try R" Well said, but the SDA church does try, I am sad we do not have our own geologist team researching into Intelligent Design, but some groups do.Now the problem is – crap from stupid creation fundamentalist – goes too far in the extremeCreationist do not really present data – they just argue against multiple difference sciences in one breathe and call it an attack upon evolution True science makes no effort except present the data they can measure TRUE – within Christianity there are 0.1% of the theologians that back the Creation Institute TRUE – this has caused 0.1% of non-theologians to defend themselves – Richard Dawkins Sides are drawn weapon ready – lest fight – and divide – and make all the noise for the public Creationism is not a science – it is a religion of its own – a BIG FAT MY WAY ONLY Those who preach evolution – are preaching a different religion I do not want to wage a holy war – who is my enemy another man? My job on this earth – the purpose of life – the meaning of life – our commission / assignment WITNESS GOD’s GLORY TO ALL THE WORLD --------------- Ge 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. (1) The tree of life also in the middle of the Eden (2) The tree of good and evil also in the middle of Eden. There are two major trees in the Eden. This is a fact. There is only one tree that is off limits – only one tree has a commandment about itThe tree of good and evil also in the middle of Eden is REMOVED forever, It is not the tree of good and evil – you just keep repeating this same lie over and over in denial of scriptureGe 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. You want it to say the tree of good and evil to match your Great Controversy two god religion But it is ‘the tree of knowledge of’ D"So – it is OK to make idols of God Himself and any of the angels – just not ‘other gods’ R" That is my understanding of reading Exodus Dave. What is your opinion of these texts?Exo 20:4 Do not make for yourself a graven image , or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or on the earth below or in the water under the earth. Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Exo 20:4 'Thou dost not make to thyself a graven image, or any likeness which is in the heavens above, or which is in the earth beneath, or which is in the waters under the earth. Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: The only unclear part of this verse is the spiritual implication of - in the waters under the earthD"Cherub – does not mean an angel – it can mean many things – a guardian R" Well that's your opinion, my opinion is the cherub is an angel, the messengers of heaven, created by GOD as special close free will friends around His throne.No one ever had any idea if your view until Rome invented it For two years you have failed to validate your cherub chata satan precept upon precept, line upon lineYou teach that God is weak – cannot even hold on to His own angels Even angels can fall from God’s Grace You teach satan strong – recreated all of God Plan against God’ Will You use to preach that your satan actually rule all men everywhere You have been taught to deny the concept of One True God You have been taught to deny the spirit – you mock it (I really like Jenny Weaver?) You deny that Christians are called to be spiritual – to be the First Fruits Your satanaology is poison D"Here is a fact you should know – Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Armenia are Muslim Countries You are confused why Muslim Countries don’t want to help validate Judaism or Christianity I thought science is not concerned with religion, but facts of history? Isn't a boat on a huge flood a natural event about history? I find this is about stopping one religion dominating another religion.Listen to what you just said Robert – this should be a LIGHT BULB MOMENT for youIt is not about science or history – but between two different religions 1 religion PRO Israel – (Jew or Christian – or Christian West) 1 religion – OPPOSED to that PRO Israel – (Jew or Christian – or Christian West) religion Yesterday ----- Today – Right NOW - Scripture alive and real right before our eyes!Nothing has changed since the days of Joshua – except the names America was the best friend since 1948 – Oops – Afghanistan – will America stand for Israel? Not if we are swapping nukes with China – we will be busy on the other side of the world. I read an article about Australia’s short term solution If we win the war with China – the next government will return to trading with Australia out of necessity Food – coal – iron ore are necessary If they win – they will own Australia to feed and fuel their country Yesterday ----- Today – Right NOW - Scripture alive and real right before our eyes!Nothing has changed since the days of Joshua – except the names And the absolute scale of our global population – and man’s current ability to contaminate the earth so badly – that the globe my become inhabitable Yesterday ----- Today – Right NOW - Scripture alive and real right before our eyes!COMMENTARY: Dead Sea Comes to Life! - Israel Todayhttps://www.israeltoday.co.il › Read May 13, 2021 — Didn't the Bible say something about the Dead Sea coming to life around the time we should expect Messiah?... Ezekiel 47:9-11 ERV - Bible.comhttps://www.bible.com › ERV This water flows into the Dead Sea so that the water in that sea becomes fresh and clean. There are many fish in this water, and all kinds of animals live ... www.joydigitalmag.com/everyday-life/dead-sea-coming-alive/this Rift Valley expanse that has been unable to support life since the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, thousands of years ago, useful only for drawing tourists to sample its healing properties while floating unsupported. Freshwater fish have now been seen swimming in the surrounding sinkholes that have opened up in recent years as the sea,
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Post by Dave on Sept 26, 2021 0:32:02 GMT -5
If you look into the books on biological evolution, they do not want a divine foot in the door All biological evolution must arise from natural consequences. This belief is itself a religion. Stop listening to the argument between two different extremesI have lived my life by LEVY JENNINGSYou must plot all the data – to eliminate a bias Then a central theme emerges from the data – some data points are too far from the mean They are outside 3sd – we discard these as OUTLIERS Don Patton – Richard Dawkins – too extremes The more data you add to your data set – the more the mean is revealed The people on either side want to argue graph #1 – look disconnected and different data – he said this – someone else said something else – argue data points – keep you focused on this little thing or that little thing Did earth worms come before starfish? – stupid side track – stupid distraction Recognize what is in your sight – things only happened one way – God’s WayIf you look into the books on biological evolution, they do not want a divine foot in the door All biological evolution must arise from natural consequences.Your bias is showing loud and clearThere is zero science that teaches magic – science is the study of mechanism You said you taught chemistry – h2o – did you teach it is held together by magic – or electrochemical bonds? – What about ionization energy that caused an electron to jump out of its orbit – did you teach it was magic – or translation of energy? What is the difference between a covalent bond and an ionic bond – different magic No – you probably taught mechanism When you told you kids about sex – did you say it was magic – or there is some physical mechanism involved
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