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Post by Dave on Dec 2, 2019 14:26:52 GMT -5
From the INTRODUCTION of my copyThe Nag Hammadi Library is a collection of religious texts that vary widely from each other as to when, where, and by whom they were written. Even the points of view diverge to such an extent that the text are not to be thought of as coming from one group or movement. Yet these diversified materials must have had something in common that caused them to be chosen by those who collected them. … one of them, The Gospel of Thomas, begins with a word to the wise: “Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death.” Thus the texts can be read at two levels: what the original author may have intended to communicate and what the texts may subsequently have been taken to communicate. Those who collected this library were Christians, and many of the essays were originally composed by Christian authors. In a sense this should not be surprising, since primitive Christianity itself was a radical movement.the early Christian struggle to define "orthodoxy" – Rome’s struggle to be dominate Rome vrs Gnostics - The Roman Index – is not a secret conspiracy –it is a BookView Attachment(Wiki) The Index librorum prohibitorum ("List of Prohibited Books") was a list of publications deemed heretical or contrary to morality by the Sacred Congregation of the Index (a former Dicastery of the Roman Curia), and Catholics were forbidden to read them without permission It was first started in 180AD by Irenaeus of Lyon France (Wiki) Against Heresies, or On the Detection and Overthrow of the So-Called Gnosis, sometimes referred to by its Latin title Adversus Haereses, is a work of Christian theology written in Greek about the year 180 by Irenaeus, the bishop of Lugdunum (now Lyon in France). In it, Irenaeus identifies and describes several schools of Gnosticism, as well as other schools of Christian thought, and contrasts their beliefs with his conception of orthodox Christianity. Until the discovery of the Library of Nag Hammadi in 1945, Against Heresies was the best surviving contemporary description of Gnosticism.The end result of the Roman EditThe agl is a very nice well written text – edited to support only the Rome-Centric / ‘Ordinary Christian’ doctrine. While many of what Rome calls Gnostic text survive in only one totting and damaged ancient codex Again from the INTRODUCTION of my copyThe texts were translated one by one from Greek into Coptic, and not always by translators capable of grasping the profundity or sublimity od what they sought to translate. The translator of a brief sections of Plato’s Republic clearily did not understand the text … Fortunately, most texts are better translated, but when there are duplications one can sense the difference a better translateion makes in comparison to the poor translation – which leads one to wonder about the bulk of the text that exist in only one single version.There is this same type of hazard in the transmission of the texts by a series od scribs who copied them, generation after generation, from increasing corrupt copies, first in Greek and then in Coptic. The number of unintentional errors is hard to estimate, since such a thing as a clean control copy dose not exist; nor dose one have, as in the case of the Bible, a quantity of manuscripts of the same text that tend to correct each other when compared. Hundreds of copies of the synoptic Gospels were compiled together to make the modern Roman Canon How many copies of the Gospel of Phillip exist in the entire world – ONEThank you Roman Edit Trinity The Right, The Left, and The Center – Very Jewish Kabbalah. Step 1 – Baptism , Step 2 – Redemption, Step 3 – The Bride of Christ
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Our world is a result of Eve’s Mistake You are correct – the original intent was a world of TOV only But Eve – choose Mistake – wrong choice of words – looks like a mistake to man – but was it – or was it the plan all along and we just PRECIEVE a small portion of that plan?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 4:18:40 GMT -5
Gnostic Quote: "The world came about through a mistake. For he who created it wanted to create it imperishable and immortal. He fell short of attaining his desire. "
Rob: "SO now our Jesus Creator is less than wise, made a mistake? Really? no
Dave: "Our world is a result of Eve’s Mistake You are correct – the original intent was a world of TOV only But Eve – choose Mistake – wrong choice of words – looks like a mistake to man – but was it – or was it the plan all along and we just PRECIEVE a small portion of that plan?
Rob: So you saying Dave, "The Gnostic says our world came from Eve's Mistake, but Jesus intended to make the world of TOV only? "
Hang on Dave, I thought you have been saying to me, the world was created with ra and tov, from the beginning, and somehow Eve sinned adding more ra to the already existing world of tov and ra. You also have been saying we have naturally tov and ra inside our bodies, much as animals do. Now you saying something different? So what are you saying?
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Post by Dave on Dec 3, 2019 10:37:35 GMT -5
The TOV / RA daily exist – ever since Gen 1:2 – maybe even Gen 1:1 Even the rocks suffer from entropy Biologically – we are created from the dust of the earth – we are just as animal as a Lamb or a Lion Animal = carnal = yester ra – our biological instinct for survival – hunger – lust – pain – mortality Man is special – because God breathed into us Soul – yester tov – the gnosis of God – compassion – self sacrifice Eve had a choice between the two – imagine if she obeyed – we would have a world of TOV and all ive in the garden – but she didn’t obey – she chose ‘mistake’ – she chose ‘error’ - she chose ‘chata’ – and we have what we have Gnostic slant – Adam and Eve could see the heavens – they could see the angels doing their work and praising God – they could see the music that angels sang – yet – even tho she was in full awareness – she was deceived – how? Even tho she gnosis – she did not understand – and therefore deceived What happened when she chose – did anything change – did all of nature change – NO She simple knew the difference between TOV and RA – she understood her error, that’s why she felt guilty and tried to hide – she gnosis her error / disobedience / missing the mark You say miss relationship I say – if you gnosis – and you gnosis you are choosing the chata – you cannot in full view of the Lord – you have to close your eyes – your mind’s eye – and pretend you are alone in the dark – but you gnosis you are still in full view – we are all Eve As a baby we are born in communion with God – this is why all babies are happy at first. At first babies love everything – then mom comes and feed you – you are happy for you mom and happy for the milk – you are just thankful. Then one day – your mind develops enough to over-ride soul’s good nature as screams – ‘HEY MOM- get your fanny over here and FEED ME! – From then on we only become more overwhelmed to the wants of yester ra But Eve – choose Mistake – wrong choice of words – looks like a mistake to man – but was it – or was it the plan all along and we just PRECIEVE a small portion of that plan? My God is Omniscient - He knew that Eve would choose – if it wasn’t Eve, it might have been Cain, if not Cain then maybe you or me. For this reason – it OK by me if Adam and Eve are two individual – or representative of the first humans Adam and Eve were not the first humanoids on planet Earth – but the first Homo Sapiens
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 13:44:29 GMT -5
Wow, Dave the more I get to know your theology the more it is so different from mine..
So this tov and ra existed from the beginning of our creation, and so sin is not something we do wrong, because the wrong dysfunctional things already existed in the world, the thing Eve did was to know, the gnosis... it was a change of perception...
Suddenly she saw the good and bad in the world, before she didn't know? Wow, this is not my definition of sin is it? You have changed that too?
Since when is chata got anything to do with yada? Chata means to miss. Miss what? Miss on a relationship with GOD...you don't get that...
You see sin as just gnosis, doing yada, to become more intimate with knowledge, rather than intimate with a Person. Is there a difference? yes.
Your world before sin had entropy already in it, mine didn't.
Your world had weeds in it to, and possibly death, ultimate ra; but mine didn't.
Friction comes from ra, so this was in your world too, not in mine.
So how do humans walk on earth in a world of no ra? Easy, the ruwach carries them on the wings of wind, just as the Father and Son get around.
When Eve and Adam sinned, ra came flooding in more and more. But not before they sinned.
No wonder Jews have no concept of sin, don't need one if we are born yester ra and tester tov already in us from before Adam and Eve sinned.
How can you accept salvation if you don't know what we are saved from?
You by pass my first discussion "Greek word kathistemi" remember?
What is the single word you use for "kathistemi" ? You never did answer that question. However I did, "rule , ruled, or ruler".
This is significant:
Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were ruled sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be ruled righteous.
It changes the origin of sin... what sin is... sin comes from rulers who rule... you choice... relationship...
You can't see this, because your archons are on the same side as GOD, a byproduct of creation, whereas I don't have this problem, I read Hebrew...
One ruler is YHWH and other ruler is Satan, a fallen cherub, and all other archons who fell with him, ie fallen cherubs. Simple really.
The origin of ruler ? It says in Amos 5 a "star elohiym" become bad...it wanted to be higher than Most High
See I do not have to use Ezekiel...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 13:54:28 GMT -5
Dave: "Adam and Eve were not the first humanoids on planet Earth – but the first Homo Sapiens
Explain.
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Post by Dave on Dec 3, 2019 23:09:52 GMT -5
ponderingconfusion.com/papers.php?id=incrementThe data suggest that species appeared suddenly, lived without changing, and then completely died out. Although, the data represented above agrees in scope, notice that in detail there is still much disagreement, especially in the timeline. Another startling revelation made clear from this fossil evidence is that around the time Homo sapiens first appeared in the record, there is the possibility that two to eight different Humanoid species shared the planet at the same time. If there was any compression of the time line at all, then these 2 to 8 different humanoid species could have interacted for generations.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 1:55:51 GMT -5
I see. So you don't believe the Lord Jesus made man on the 6th day of creation approximately 4000BC , not the 6 million years suggested here. The so called fossil record does prove anything here at all. For starters the skull size is too small.
Your not seriously thinking of evolution here? Or even trusting science, in our covering our past are you?
Dave: "There are still fundamentalist that cling to six 24-hour days. These believers would say that God is so amazingly powerful - ALL POWERFUL – OMNIPOTIENT – that creating everything in six days is well within God’s ability. I was taught this on Sunday. Wasn’t everyone?
Some things are correct in every religion? Catholics don't believe this anymore...they follow evolution these days...
Dave: "If God is omnipotent then why did it take him 24hrs to do a days worth of creating? Seems like someone omnipotent could have done it all in a fraction of a millisecond, with time to spare. To suggest that it took omnipotent God six whole days, is actually suggesting that God was dragging it out for some reason. An Omnipotent God could have done everything in six nanoseconds.
Actually Robert Gentry's work on granites showing radioactive plutonium shows the granites were made in less than 2 seconds !
Dave: "When God performed his creative day, did it all happen in the first nanosecond of the day; or did some things happen after breakfast, and a few more after lunch, then Dinner and evening, and so on? Incremental creation allows God to perform His creative miracles in a progressive manor that is later rediscovered by man. However, in an attempt to leave God out of the picture, this progressive manner is misunderstood as evolution.
There is no details given in Scripture...so why speculate?
Dave: "Another startling revelation made clear from this fossil evidence is that around the time Homo sapiens first appeared in the record, there is the possibility that two to eight different Humanoid species shared the planet at the same time. If there was any compression of the time line at all, then these 2 to 8 different humanoid species could have interacted for generations.
Scripture says creatures were made according to kinds. That means 1 paired creature, that had variety in it's ability. Mankind was a special kind, made differently, not called into existence. Thus we would expect 1 paired creature, made in image of GOD, not eight different humanoid creatures.
Dave: "Instead, the fossil record actually indicates that the different species: began independently and suddenly, lived without changing, and then died out.
No so, GOD told the creatures to fill the earth...from the Canus came foxes, wolves, dogs, etc. All different species, but the same kind. Millions of different butterflies but from the 1 paired kind...
Dave: "Science tells us, it all started with an enormous Big Bang;
Not sure modern Science follow Big Bang anymore???
Dave: "Satisfying the fossil record and scripture, complete with incremental creative surges throughout the time line.
You really do not develop this theory... bird and fish day 5, animals day 6, there is nothing incremental in the creation of living things at all... the animals filled the earth over time, once Adam sinned, and ra flooded the earth, changing the fight for survival...this is commonly seen as evolution... natural selection is actually a Biblical term, first proposes by Christian science.
What's the purpose to bring more than one line of humanoids into creation? Why do you discredit a popular concept of Creation? Very few religions hold onto young earth Creation... SDA is one of these that do, so does Creation Science movement.
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Post by Dave on Dec 4, 2019 8:09:52 GMT -5
Again – any discussion of time is irrelevant – TIME IS NOT LINEAR You suggesting that the fossile record is fake – I say Rom 1:20 Why do so many things have to be false or fake to satisfy catholic Theology?
Not Evolution – Incremental Creation There is nothing wrong of true science - or do you think science's conclusion of an Intelligent design is in error? Science say all our visible reality is based upon an unseen Energy (E) - is this a lie? Modern science suggest this reality is actually a holographic projection - an illusion - is this a lie? Science says - time is not linear - also a lie I guess
Rom 1:20 - must be wrong! We cannot see God in all creation - its a lie
Sounds like more Roman editing - thought police
Show me this in English – where can I see this writing in English – I’ll take Latin or Greek – but it must be the origional
I see – after God created them – they evolved (I do not believe in evolution - show me any intermediate creature)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 13:17:49 GMT -5
On October 27, 2014, Pope Francis issued a statement at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences that "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation," warning against thinking of God's act of creation as "God [being] a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything.Actually Walter Veith, shows the original writings, if you want to see Catholic writings on this. www.youtube.com/watch?v=N13ZiELHb1M This is a long video, but helpful insights into your quest. I am a young earth Creationist, do not follow evolution at all... nor put trust in their fossil records... This is a huge VAST subject... I suppose you follow Creation Science Magazine? they follow this subject perfectly...I love their work... Just because some fossils have labels does not mean much about the past...Have we considered all the fossils? What about the giant skulls? The ability to change is built into the DNA already by Jesus, He wrote changes in the DNA so creatures can change when ra changes the world, after Adam sinned. Hence a second creator is not necessary. So when creatures change, this is not some new species, it is just DNA changing to suit new world... In you theory - explaine the paracas skulls Do not tell me they are human anything - these skulls have two cranial plates - human have threeIf you interested in this, research the Creation Science website and investigate their findings... I have no expertise on your question...IMO they might be ape origins, or GMO humanoids done by wicked men doing GMO in those days? We don't know. Again – any discussion of time is irrelevant – TIME IS NOT LINEAR You suggesting that the fossile record is fake – I say Rom 1:20Yom moves forward one day at a time, and thus linear in this sense. Fossil record? What fossil record of the past? All I see is a graveyard mess from a global flood? The jumbled fossils on top and below mean nothing relative to time. Why don't science show all humanoid fossils? giants? cause it doesn't fit their religion. In the past, mankind were huge people, all of them giants... the little people we have today are a selected part of the whole of human gene pool. Does anybody in science consider this? no If you wanted to look for fossils, we have preconceived assumptions... In Scripture Adam and Eve were created on day 6, a single pair. In Gen 6, it says the humans were giants. So in the flood fossil record, we should go looking for giant fossil records of humans, not the puny ones... put all the humanoid skulls together and than decide... also do not discount GMO by ancient humans, corruption of DNA and wickedness affects on the epigenetics ... Shalom
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 13:44:07 GMT -5
The Smithsonian has been saddled with claims that it deliberately destroyed giant bones sent to it from multiple sources, so as not to give credence to Biblical accounts of Nephilim. Conspiracy theorists remain convinced that the bones are hidden somewhere.
Why would the Smithsonian do that? Because giant ancient humans would challenge the theory of evolution is one answer. It would show that we have actually devolved — not evolved. Giants were big and strong — and we aren’t by comparison. It’s the old battle of creationists versus the evolutionist; Biblicists versus scientists.
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2019 12:20:05 GMT -5
... so, GOD told the creatures to fill the earth...from the Canus came foxes, wolves, dogs, etc. All different species, but the same kind. Millions of different butterflies but from the 1 paired kind...
… so, GOD told the creatures to fill the earth...from the Canus came foxes, wolves, dogs, etc. All different species, but the same kind. Millions of different butterflies but from the 1 paired kind...
In you theory - explaine the paracas skulls Do not tell me they are human anything - these skulls have two cranial plates - human have three [/font] If you interested in this, research the Creation Science website and investigate their findings... I have no expertise on your question...IMO they might be ape origins, or GMO humanoids done by wicked men doing GMO in those days? We don't know. [/quote] You are an evolutionist – God made your creatures then they evolved into other things Humanoid Man evolved from apes – even in Peru is evolution P.S. – We know their DNA – oops! – not apes What do you do with Neatherthals? Fake science? Or if Adam and ever were the first humanoids – maby they are the true line of Adam? Explain – why do you have to deny so much data to make your Catholic view fit
I am a young earth Creationist, do not follow evolution at all... nor put trust in their fossil records... Already stated - you are an evolutionist - I am not - no genus ever change!- no species ever changed - excempt by human hybredinazationShow me an animal that is 1/2 Rhinoserus and 1/2 Horse Show me an animal that is 1/2 Raccoon and 1/2 Bear or any intermediary forms Young Earth Christians are different that Young Earth Jews No one argues the calendar after Noah Before Noah – as FD-WEDT shows – was a very different place The Earth rotated faster = shorter days The Earth orbited faster = longer years both of these measurable facts - Rom 1:2 - sure throws a wrench into any linear time calculation If you mandate a 6000 yr or so age – then this makes the 6 days of creation 6 -24hr days 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalms 90:4 are in error - if these verses are correct then the 6 days could scripturally be 6000 yrs + another 6000 calendar = a messed up linear time absolute Time is not linear – any discussion of 6 day or 6000 yrs or 6 billion years is absolutely - irrelevant
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2019 12:34:52 GMT -5
On October 27, 2014, Pope Francis issued a statement at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences that "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation," warning against thinking of God's act of creation as "God [being] a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. Question - you speak English - what does not inconsistant mean? You make it a mandate for all Catholics to bow to Evolution as Fact - why? The Point - ponderingconfusion.com/papers.php?id=incrementEach individual must Ponder their own conclusions. My point here is not to prove a correlation between scripture and science. However, it is my mission to show that these two warring factions, scripture and science, are not in conflict with one another.
Shakespeare asked the question, “What is in a name?” The process that populated our planet with life happened the way it happened; regardless of what you call it, Creation, Natural Selection, or Evolution. However, with the evidence at hand, Incremental Creation serves as the best-fit description of that process. Satisfying the fossil record and scripture, complete with incremental (DININE) creative surges throughout the time line.In case you don't get it - the time line could be 6 days or mich longer - BECAUSE - time is not linear 2 Pet 3:8 and Psa 90:4 make clear - simple On gives the credit to God - whether it is science or scripture Rom 1:20 -is alive and well - Dan 12:4 You are Catholic - because you have been conditioned to believe that all thing are a distraction from God - actully they are a distraction from a larger reality I ma a Gnostic and believe in Rom 1:20 and 2 Pet 3:8 and Ps 90:4 and the total Torah / Gospel All things point to the Creator if you look - if you Seek - courious why do do not believe this Psa 19:1 ... The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament showeth his handiwork.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 13:22:16 GMT -5
Dave: "Question - you speak English - what does not inconsistant mean?
In positive words the Pope said: "Evolution in nature is similar to the notion of creation,"
Dave: "You make it a mandate for all Catholics to bow to Evolution as Fact - why?
Because Catholics are following a religion of naturalism, not the Bible in Hebrew.
For the most part, the church has resolved any tensions between religion and science. In 1950, in his encyclical Humani Generis (On the Human Person), Pope Pius XII expressed concern that the theory of evolution not be embraced uncritically. He called for more research, but did not condemn the theory. In 1996 Pope John Paul II addressed the issue before the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. He sanctioned the acceptance of evolution, but reminded his listeners that spiritual questions like the nature of the soul and its relationship to God are beyond the realm of science.
www.uscatholic.org/articles/201508/do-catholics-believe-evolution-30288
“The Big-Bang, that is placed today at the origin of the world, does not contradict the divine intervention but exacts it,” Francis said, speaking at a ceremony in the Vatican Gardens inaugurating a bronze bust in honor of his successor, Pope Benedict XVI. “The evolution in nature is not opposed to the notion of Creation, because evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve.”
It’s almost taken as a given today that the origins of humankind can be explained through the theory of evolution: the process by which different kinds of living organisms are believed to have developed from earlier forms. There’s a common assumption today that Catholics don’t believe in evolution, and instead adopt a young earth creationist perspective which holds that earth and all of its lifeforms were created a few thousand years ago. While the Church makes no official pronouncements on matters of science, since the 1950s, it has formally been more open to evolutionary theory.
www.irishcatholic.com/do-catholics-believe-in-evolution/
This encyclical demonstrated that firstly, no Catholic is required to believe in the theory of evolution, noting that reasoned dialogue is needed to solve the issue. Secondly, it revealed that if human evolution did occur, it did so under the guidance of God, and that creation is ultimately down to his divine will. Boiled down, the Church teaches that Catholics can believe that humans developed from other primitive life forms, but that this process was guided by God, and meaning about our life can only be garnered by looking towards God.
I do not believe or follow any of this...
God created creatures from the beginning, all the DNA for change already supplied.
Animals only changed slightly to fit new world challenges.
Notice Pope spoke this quote:
“God is not a demiurge or a magician, but the Creator who gives being to all entities,” he said.
Gnostics use this word demiurge, saying GOD is a demiurge? Your opinion Dave?
IMO, God is GOD, and there is no need to invent a word like "demiurge". Gnostics have the Father creating? the Son Creating? and the Holy Spirit creating, even archons, who also begat other archons. I don't like this idea. GOD creates only through Jesus. He spoke the words, the Holy Spirit did as Jesus spoke, using the powers of the Father. So while all members of the Godhead are involved, only One Being created the earth. That's what the Hebrew says.
Dave "no genus ever change! - no species ever changed
I am confused? genus and species are not the same words.
Do you understand what "kind" means? Take canus, the dog genus? A dog cannot change into a cat, Felix genus. Each kind has only DNA for that creature. But each creature can change into other creatures slightly different, which eventually look so different they no longer have sex with the resulting species... technically you can mate a fox with a wolf, and a dog with a wolf, as they are kinds, but not the same species.
You can mate a domestic cat with a bobcat, leopard and a lion, but NOT with a dog.
Show me an animal that is 1/2 Rhinoserus and 1/2 Horse Show me an animal that is 1/2 Raccoon and 1/2 Bear
Such things are impossible, these are different kinds. You are correct to write this.
The question we raise, was humans also of different species? Well being a kind, the DNA would allow for change? change of skull shape, change of height, that sort of thing. Being dead long ago and washed by flood, such evidence could be seen as different species.
Also we need not dismiss GMO by pre-flood people. They would have genetically manipulated the human DNA? as humans do today??
Dave: "You are an evolutionist – God made your creatures then they evolved into other things Humanoid Man evolved from apes – even in Peru is evolution P.S. – We know their DNA – oops! – not apes
I am NOT an evolutionist... you write with little details... please explain the above.
Dave: "What do you do with Neatherthals? Fake science?
Yes possibly. When I was in PNG in my missionary days, I saw a living walking Neatherthal Man, in 1988, complete with raised eyebrow bones and skull pointing backwards... I looked and looked...he was a Pastor of our church too. From a primitive tribe of long ago... so we need to be careful of the idea that all humanoids look like us...
God made variety in the human DNA, like other creatures...we can expect to see a variety of skull shapes and sizes. If you breed in isolation, pockets of people in a jungle, what happens to the DNA? It get's exaggerated, we call this line breeding, and long term, its bad to do, because it causes defects.
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2019 13:44:56 GMT -5
The Smithsonian has been saddled with claims that it deliberately destroyed giant bones sent to it from multiple sources, so as not to give credence to Biblical accounts of Nephilim. Conspiracy theorists remain convinced that the bones are hidden somewhere.
Why would the Smithsonian do that? Because giant ancient humans would challenge the theory of evolution is one answer. It would show that we have actually devolved — not evolved. Giants were big and strong — and we aren’t by comparison. It’s the old battle of creationists versus the evolutionist; Biblicists versus scientists.IMO Science ignores evidence I am all over this and have been for a long time – ARCHON I have 3 great books for you – you should youtube a guy named L.A. Marzulli (he is the Afgan Giant guy) Much evidence – In my own book I use stories for the American Indians. 12’ to 15’ tall, Red hair, two rows of teeth. Many – many – I mean >100 Newspaper articles from American History speaking of giant bones and skulls. YES! Rephiem – surviving Nephilim of the Flood = the 7 Amorite tribes of Canaan These are archon demi-gods / a genetic link – their gods were the bane elohiym (archon) Archon – bad guys – posing as gods – pseudo –gods YHWY – only introduced Himself to the 1% Israel The 99% were left to be used in the Contest against Israel The 1% with God vrs the 99% and all their other-gods – this is the ahl - Canaan – then Egypt – then Canaan – then Babylon – then Rome Who are these other-gods – archon Baal and Moloch – are just 2 of 31 examples – desired human sacrifice Israel did not eliminate them – some remain – and serve a purpose (God’s purpose) Jdg 2:3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you. When Baal and Moloch worship waned in Canaan – where did it go? China and east? NO – it went west to Carthage – and 20,000 babies were sacrifice to Moloch Where did Christianity go next – China and east? NO – it went west and became the Roman Empire Where did the worship of other-gods desiring human sacrifice go after Christ? - South America! Where did Christianity go next – China and east? NO – it went to South America Where did the worship of other-gods desiring human sacrifice go – America Followed by – what? – Christianity In reverse – Where are giant – as in tall, red hair, and two rows of teeth skeletons found Youngest = America --older = South America Oldest with non-human DNA and only two cranial plates = Paracus Peru All – 100% archon – all messangers of deception Pseudo-gods desiring worship Back to Israel – in ancient days – The 1% surrounded by ‘other-gods’ Baal, Moloch and more 632 AD Mohmand placed all the ‘other gods’ in the Kaaba and declared that Allah was master over all the ‘other-gods’ Mohmand did not say these ‘other gods’ were gone or debunked –just declared Allah as their master Just like the ‘overseer stepped forward to rule over the chaos in hades But Allah is not satan or the overseer – he is a smaller lieutenant in the ranks Allah is not the commander and chief of all RA - Allah is not the cosmic player in the heavens Allah is one of the archons (rulers) commanding his Jinn on Earth offering a counterfeit plan of salvation While other archon commanders (rulers) lead other groups in the deception – Deep State – 13 families While other archon commanders (rulers) lead the Catholic Church What is the mission of Catholicism – to elevate satan to creator status – to diminish God’s power and influence – AND TO ERASE (EDIT) evidence of the archon Science found the giant skeletons – a higher power is responsible for hiding / down playing / or dismissing the evidence – I wonder who that could be? Thought Police? I see the archon in the bones – I see the archon in the conspiracy to hide the evidence of the archon. I see Gnostic cosmology – I see the theology of God – everywhere I look AND – I do not have to call any evidence fake or false – regardless of its source –
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 6:14:59 GMT -5
Wow this theme is close to your heart and experience. I like what you wrote, very detailed story. Liked the red American Indians account you provide. Liked how you describe Allah and Catholic Church controlled by Archons.
Yes the giants still live on earth in remote places, and were common in days past, and even more common before the flood. WE only debate where they came from?
I can agree with you GOD created ra, and allowed a controlled creation of ra, after Adam sinned, because if you look at the physical world, something had to control ra as it flooded into our world...
What were we disagree is over the creation of relationships from ra.
When you are yoked to GOD in a relationship, He holds the bigger load, humans the smaller load, but the two are yoked together in relationship.
Ra is where the yoking gets less and less, until you are all alone in a relationship with only self, human power, and none of GOD's power is in you except the power of the breath of life to keep you alive for a probation.
Just because GOD creates ra, even the ra in a relationship, GOD isnot allowing doing the ra or the evil...
However many Jews saw it this way, and wrote their feelings in Scripture...
Ru 1:21 I went out full, and the LORD hath brought me home again empty: why then call ye me Naomi, seeing the LORD hath testified against me, and the Almighty hath afflicted me?
This verse helps your cause... it says Naomi went pregnant, now returns barren... a womb of boys was important to Hebrew women...but is the message they write here following truth, or following as humans see it? It says here the Shadday, the breasted one, gives me babies, and takes them away, thus does "Raa" to me, a woman with a womb. Is this a fair assessment, that GOD is the author of raa as well as ra, doing also evil to humans? You would say yes.
I don't see GOD doing either ra or raa personally... this would make GOD violating His own commandments.
Perhaps GOD sees Naomi in the longer view, since Ruth becomes Hebrew, she is a better baby adopted, than the babies Naomi naturally grew in her womb. After all the womb also means "compassion-centre", did not Shadday have compassion on her with Ruth before her? Should we only read the Scripture as the Jews wrote the messages as they saw it, or should we look for a higher message, GOD's ideal way of dealing with humans? After all most of Israel were doing raa, and were stiff necks.
And if I be so fair to admit in our own SDA church, Ellen White writes only 1 in 20 are saved, the majority are stiff necks, just like Jews were. So it's really hard to find anyone in the world agreeing with your theology.
Jos 24:15 ¶ And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
This is clear, which elohiyms do we serve? they are different...gods of the Amorites, or the YHWH-elohiym.
You say these gods of the Amorites, come from archons? But than you make these archons created by the Holy Spirit, thus created by the Father? I don't see this.
You see the archons creating these giants? I don't see this.
Scripture doesn't really say that clearly, does it? Neither does it clearly discuss the origin of other sinning beings before Adam sinned?
Is there anything clearly understood by scripture?
I asked you for a single word meaning to explain the Greek word "kathistemi"
and you never gave me a single word meaning for "kathistemi" did you?
As in the verse Romans 5:19
I asked for also for a single meaning for "faith" (amanuah) too, an English meaning that makes sense for every sentence the word "faith" is found in, and you haven't done that either...
Such as Exodus 17:12
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Dave: "What is the mission of Catholicism – to elevate satan to creator status – to diminish God’s power and influence – AND TO ERASE (EDIT) evidence of the archon
1) Why do Catholics elevate Satan to creator status? Name one thing Satan has created? there is nothing... Satan only destroys, never creates...
2) How can Satan diminish God's power? A creature can't... creatures are mortal, rely on God providing living for them... Satan has no inherit power of his own. All Satan does is what the Hebrew word says He opposes GOD.
You say Satan is a good angel doing a bad job... this is a violation of the Hebrew word "opponent". A court room is not about good guys at all. Some guys in the court room are good and some a wicked and must be punished... Your statement violate the words "opponent" and "court" and "judge".
3) Satan can influence GOD's world... there was war in heaven... what does this sentence mean to you? Surely Satan influenced GOD's world?
4) Only Satan would want to diminish the role of Satan, and push himself into a good angel doing a bad job, so as to deceive people. The Greek word archon, means satan (as a verb) fallen angels or fallen humans; who oppose God). The noun form (satan) refers to the first angel who sinned opposing God.
5) Why do you like accepting this idea anyhow? It's in Scripture?
Otherwise where do the opposing powers of elohiym come from, if GOD created both ra and tov?
Jos 24:15 ¶ And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
This is clear, which elohiyms do we serve? they are different...gods of the Amorites, or the YHWH-elohiym.
You say these gods of the Amorites, come from archons? But than you make these archons created by the Holy Spirit, thus created by the Father?
This is confusing, make no sense to have all the parties who sin or don't sin, created by GOD. If both sides do evil, than how can God judge fairly?
Suppose you go to heaven and GOD condemns you to eternal nonexistence...That's not fair, God, you made both ra and tov, so I can't be responsible for not living a life of tov, I did my best, so let me live forever? So using this logic, all humans are saved. And Satan is saved too. This makes no sense?
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