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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 14:32:55 GMT -5
Humility in Scripture is looking out for our brother. You have an excellent ministry and do many good works with the Lord. So GOD bless you and keep you safe. I was talking a secular man today, and we got unto GOD discussion, he didn't know the ten commandments where written by the finger of GOD, so the words are not man made. Eventually he said "how do we know who's right?" That is the question of questions? I thought of all you have taught me, the Jews, the Copts, the ROME edit. We ponder confusion, so how do we know who's right? I didn't answer the question... and we moved unto other topics... Such a question also plagues us, "how do we know who's right?" We both sense the voice of GOD speaking to our conscience, we both live by the fruits of the Holy Spirit and are living in the light our of revealed truth? Can you be saved without having to know all truth? Is this even necessary? Aren't their head hunters in heaven, saved by GOD, long before white missionaries ever came to their witch doctor tribes? Ro 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) Many who don't know torah properly, or even anything of the gospel at all, live according to their directions in life, revealed to them by the Holy Spirit via their conscious. SO if this is true, why do we have to witness at all? Why bring people together into one fold? Why is having more harmonious truth even necessary? And when we do come together, we can't even agree over the basic meaning of WORDS... I am so surprised by this... devastated even? Even my own SDA scholars will not agree, even you don't agree... why is this? I mean my SDA scholar never gave me a single English word to substitute for "kathistemi" and neither did you... its seems people assume words have different meanings in different sentences... really? this is ridiculous? Like so:- Mt 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? whom his lord hath made a ruler.. Mt 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. That he shall make him ruler Mt 25:21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. I will make thee ruler Mt 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. I will make thee ruler Lu 12:14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you? Man, who made me a ruler? Lu 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? whom his lord shall made a ruler over.. Lu 12:44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. he will make him a ruler Ac 6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may make a ruler over this business Ac 7:10 And delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house. and he made him ruler over Egypt Ac 7:27 But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us? Who made thee a ruler ? Ac 7:35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. Who made thee a ruler ? Ac 17:15 And they that conducted Paul brought him unto Athens: and receiving a commandment unto Silas and Timotheus for to come to him with all speed, they departed. And they ruled Paul bringing him to Athens.. Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. For as by one man's disobedience many were ruled sinner's.. Tit 1:5 ¶ For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: and rule elders in every city Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: and [made him] ruler over the works.. Heb 5:1 ¶ For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: every high priest taken from among men is a ruler of men in things pertaining to God Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. For the law ruleth men as high priests Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. For every high priest is a ruler to offer gifts.. Jas 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so ruleth the tongue among our members.. Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. therefore will be a friend of the world ruleth [as an] enemy of God.. 2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.(KJV) For if these things be in you, and abound, they ruler over you, that ye .. Once your happy with every context sounding OK for the context of every verse, you have found the meaning of the word under study. Sure some context might read strange and badly so a few English prepositions here and there is useful. So the Greek word "kathistemi" means to "establish or set up a ruler, who rules over things" You can also cross reference Greek words from the Hebrew they were translated from: Ge 42:6 And Joseph was the governor "shalliyt" over the land, Ge 42:6 And Joseph was the ruler "shalliyt" over the land, Ec 7:19 Wisdom strengtheneth the wise more than ten mighty "shalliyt" (men) which are in the city. Ec 7:19 Wisdom strengtheneth the wise more than ten rulers "shalliyt" which are in the city. Ec 8:8 There is no man that hath power "shalliyt" over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it. This verse is interesting, man cannot rule over the Holy Spirit, to retain the Holy Spirit in the day of his death.... Ec 10:5 There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, as an error which proceedeth from the ruler: (KJV) How come the scholars of the KJV, knew "shalliyt" means ruler? Why don't they translate consistently? How all these OT and NT torah verses have harmony if we make "shalliyt" and "kathistemi", mean "ruler". Why do I pick on this word so much? Because it challenges your ideas about "Archons" "Death" "sin" and "Satan".... And to be honest we can't discuss anything until we find the basic meanings of WORDS. Assuming you don't believe polysemy too much... Jeff Benner and I don't, but all other scholars around the world do... so this belief is why we are radically different... it affects how we ponder confusion... I will study another science paper on this and get back to you
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Post by Dave on Nov 16, 2019 8:57:31 GMT -5
How do we know who is right? – My answer for me – the very heart of what James, john, and Peter wrote in the Gnostic Gospels – 1 Thes 5:21 – test it all, keep the good (SEEK and GROW)
I do feel called – I do believe I have a gift - just not sure how to use it – so I wake up each day and pray for guidance and do the best I can
Can you be saved without having to know all truth? – Sure – faith is simple for the simple Neither you or I are simple – we question – it is who we are – it is as we are called
A Catholic mistake is in think we are all called the same! One way-ism. You cannot pit a square peg in a round hole. Pharaoh and Moses were called differently to make the world go round. Peter and Judas were called differently to make the world go round. You and I have a different walk – a different calling
You can be simple if you want – can you go back?
Once I learned that all those x-mass gatherings of my youth were pagan rituals – I had to choose if I wanted to continue this tradition in my own family. Dang! Now I have choices! The more you grow the harder the choices become.
I suppose – maybe – if used by God in some way. But IMO – I hope he got there because he woke up to the reality of the creator and became a pacifist
YES! – King David and John the Baptist are perfect examples of this However – we are (Soul +(Mind-Body) – the HS speaks to the Soul - the HS reveals to the Soul False prophets and man-made religion appeals to (Mind-Body)
As a Gnostic I would say – Knowers listen and try to follow Believers (pretenders / wishful thinkers / Sun day Christians / churchians ) are led by other men
1- The Jews say – we knew the Lord in Heaven before we were born, we knew the Lord in the womb and our souls mission on earth is to grow spiritually back to God –
2- LOVE – there are different types – IMO – the command to love you is a command to my Soul. My Soul loves your Soul – my (Mind-Body) may not even like your (Mind-Body) – but my Soul loves your Soul and want to help it to remember its creator and its mission on earth.
Become filled – while you have to chance to be filled
Why is having a harmonizing truth necessary – it isn’t if you are simple – are you simple? I’m not!
If you choose to speak / teach / preach / witness we need to be honest to our audience – scripture has so many warning about false teachers! I pray this a lot! This is why I discuss an esoteric cosmology not a Christ theology. I don’t know the answers or the truth – all I know is the weight of evidence in front of me and the calling of my Savior – test it all – keep the good
A harmonizing truth improves you witness – your UFO guy – I am 100% a UFO believer – I have two stories that will amaze your neighbor - I can talk his talk for a month. Then he will learn that I see these UFOs as inter-dimensional beings – Much UFO evidence to support this.
Angels and Demons are inter-dimensional beings
2008 Youri Kanovanch (sp) – Russian UFO expert says – these being have been disconnected from their God. They are looking for their God. They WATCH and study us – manipulate us to watch our reactions – in order to see God. Because humans have a special connection to God. (want the video clip?)
Yes – I can talk the leg off of your UFO guy – 30 days later he will have so many questions running around in his head – he will ponder them – he will investigate –isn’t this the beginning of SEEK?
Several comments 1- I believe this very much – ambiguity is by design If God was kind – the Torah would be short and simple and closed – but it isn’t – it is long and complicated and requires years of study 2- We are not all called the same – it takes a Catholic, a Jew, and a Muslim to make the world go round. 3- Cultural biases – Just imagine an English scholar 500 year in the future trying to find the best definition to ‘working your clackers off’ - would he really understand? 4- the colloquial use of language and polysemy Archon means - authority / ruler / prince / governor Does God have authority over me – YES – is He a type of archon – YES But for me – this is an inappropriate use of the word – because colloquially I mean archon to mean = bad guys
If mammon has authority over me – it is archon because it is an agent of RA It is a colloquial use of the word – and it means a lot of things to me Just as angelic means a lot of things to people that don’t even believe in angels
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 16:42:41 GMT -5
Very good reply Dave, I can relate to your words...well said. He a type of archon – YES But for me – this is an inappropriate use of the word – because colloquially I mean archon to mean = bad guys I get your point. To me, archon is just sar, a word meaning prince. Sure there are good princes and bad princes. We need to stop the bad princes ruling over us. Yes your the right person for my UFO guy,.... Dave: "You can be simple if you want – can you go back? Actually I never be complex... if teachers say RDO, I say in my mind Rostered Day Off. If Pastors write HS, I write Holy Spirit. You write ahl, whereas I write reading the Hebrew. I am always in a simple framework, but as Einstein says NOT simplistic. I like to keep things simple. Scholars say justification, I use the term germination. Scholars say sanctification, I use the term seedling grows. Some say "kiss the SON" Ps 2:12 Kiss the Son... Actually it reads in Hebrew, Kiss the GRAIN... that's significant as it aligns the reason why we seed the SEED, eat the WORD, because the SEED of Jesus grows in us, making us change from tov and ra to all tov. However I liked all you wrote here, It's very good and encouraging for both of us.
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Post by Dave on Nov 17, 2019 7:43:55 GMT -5
I get your point. To me, archon is just sar, a word meaning prince. We ponder confusion at best... I try to reduce my confusion, by sticking to simple things... things where lots of Scripture is written... Yet you limit your study only to the Roman Canon and then you say only the Texus Receptus - which is a Greek Septugent OT Courious I am open to a much broader Cannon - all creation point to my Creator - and I do not have to avoid any scripture like Luke 2 to have an inspired Canon It would seem some pick and choose a small data set to make there view absolute I take it all in and still my views are fexible to a point because I admit my ignorance - this is why my cosmology is not held as tight as my faith
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Post by Dave on Nov 17, 2019 9:07:17 GMT -5
Colloquial use of words – when Christians speak of angels – they are colloquially referring to a whole host of beings – Catholics say at least nine different types
Gee – that would be God + 9 types of creation = 10 dimensional reality Some very close to God – Seraphim and Cherubs others farther away ‘principalities and powers’ Some are Archangels and some are messengers But a Christian call them all – angels All good guys
Archon – I didn’t make the word up – the First Christians did – they used this word. John, James, Thomas, Phillip, Paul all used this word in banned literature (Roman Index) Achon = bad guys There are many types – beginning with the chief archon – then her offspring
The Reality of the Archon is all about her offspring – who take many forms The Chief Archon is either the parent or grandparent of the bane elohiym Her offspring are the archon that came to earth in Gen 6 Her offspring are the parents of the Nephilim demi-gods (archon) of Gen 6:4
Two groups (Parents of the Nephilim) and (the Nephilim demi-gods) Enoch say 200 Parents, and about 20 major players + demi-gods + chimeras Egyptian gods are from the Star Sirius – about 200, 20 major players, + demi-gods + chimeras Sumar says – about 200 Annanaki from Neberu and 20 major players + demi-gods + chimeras Canaan – about 200, 20 major players (Baal, Molech 31 altogether in the OT) + demi-gods and chimeras Greek and Rome – about 200, 20 major players, demi-gods + chimeras Norse gods, gods of the Philippines and Sumoa, gods of South America all with demi-gods and chimeras
How have these interdimensional being visit us in our reality – they appear – they have spacecraft – they are ancient astronauts and current UFOs – where has this happene – everywhere – when has this happened – all the time – even NOW
Where are these archon – they are in the earth – on the earth – in the air – and on the planets of our solar system (all named after gods)
Archon a colloquial term to describe the bad guys Just as Angels is colloquially used to describe a whole host of different beings with different functions to describe the good guys
Some “angels” were on earth in human form – but no angel fathered demi-gods archons did
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 13:49:46 GMT -5
Archon a colloquial term to describe the bad guys
OK, and these bay guys are a product of the Chief Archon, who was created by the Holy Spirit? as a pervious quote says, unintentionally... makes wisdom less than perfect doesn't it?
Makes bad guys a part of GOD's overall purpose and design...
does away with sin...
makes GOD author of good and bad
Sorry... don't like the god concept you create...
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Post by Dave on Nov 18, 2019 4:37:56 GMT -5
The Jews say thank God for satan and the choice – Wisdomsin giving man a choice – virture. Just because you do see the wisdom in it means nothing
The serpent was in the garden testing Eve – have you forgotten Gen 3:15 – Who’s plan for Earth are you living in?
NO – makes sin a choice
Isa 45:7 – it is what God says in the Tanak – is the Tanak wrong – not inspired – I hold the Tanak in higher regard than I do Luke
You approval not required – most ‘Feel Good’ Christians hated the Jews and their pagan Jewish beliefs. Almost as if Christendom and Jews are two different religions following two different Gods. Jewish God is Omnipotent.
Was this the intent of Jesus – to split the religion – because Rome sure has
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 13:33:22 GMT -5
Consider brother for a moment the Devil Himself...if He could somehow make himself a good angel doing a bad job, than He has successfully deceived the world, including Jews.
Sin is not a choice.... Ra is not a natural part of GOD's design of creation
The Hebrew word "chata" means to miss.... miss what ? relationship... if Ra is a natural part of God's design, there is no need for my mind to change from ra to tov, you have made the fight of faith into something I don't really have to do, that much....sure God loves tov more and disdains ra, OK, so if both exist with GOD, why do humans have to slide from one spectrum to the other? You cannot answer that question.
Why did GOD create ra in the first place, if the next creation of earth, as you have already agreed with me has no ra in it? You cannot answer that question.
Why do you seek extra material outside of Hebrew to fill your mind with answers, when you neglect material in Ezekiel for instance?
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
These texts say "cherub" "created" "sinned" ....angels can sin...
Now you say Ezekiel is a non-inspired book? really? SO these verses also go:
Eze 1:4 ¶ And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind Eze 1:10 the face of a lion,
In your gnostic writings, the so called "lion faced serpent" can only be aligned here, with the Holy Spirit, take away Ezekiel, and the whole theme you present with Ra as a by-product of creation is gone too.
Also Ezekiel is the only book that speaks of
1) Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Global sunday worship as a sign of false worship...
2) Eze 33:16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
If God designed both ra and tov, why are humans put to death for doing ra and not tov? These verses here destroy your theory that God does both tov and ra, because God only saves those who do tov only. This tells me ra is NOT a part of GOD's design.
3) Eze 34:10 .., and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more;
The only book that describes that it is OK to redirect tithe, if the Feeders do not deserve to be fed from their flock.
4) Eze 33:32 And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song of one that hath a pleasant voice, and can play well on an instrument: for they hear thy words, but they do them not.
The only book in the OT to describe fake believers, these would be Jews in a Jewish church, just like SDA people in our SDA church, all nice pious people doing ra and tov, but they are not doing the torah as God requires. God is not interested in human powered effort torah keeping.
These are some of my favourite themes from Ezekiel, there are others, but you get my drift.
Dave: "Almost as if Christendom and Jews are two different religions following two different Gods.
Jewish God is Omnipotent.
Was this the intent of Jesus – to split the religion – because Rome sure has
Rob: These statements suggest to me, you like JEWS but dislike ROME...? You are comparing one religion verses another? Why are you doing this? Isn't GOD the creator of both Tov and Ra, than it doesn't matter what church your in? Why do you question so much if it doesn't matter? this struggle of tov and ra? why must we struggle?
You say it is a test to prove we love God? that's ridiculous... if we are on the path of ra, or on the path of tov, what does it matter ? we still love God? With your theory Hitler will be saved... He did tov to those he loved... he set up whole nations of children with tov, built cities for them, a utopia for them...he was creating tov for some and making ra for others. So Hitler is obviously a good guy, just doing a bad job? Saved for the kingdom right?
My theory has nothing to do with test or testing, but whom is ruling you... Your theory doesn't have this...you don't have rulers ruling over your soul... only archons testing the soul to do ra, while GOD wants your soul to do tov.
Your have shifted the intent of archons, aren't they rulers over your soul? Don't you acknowledge that? Isn't sin about a ruler, his kingdom and his wanting you for his kingdom? Isn't that why Jesus came to earth, to get the king of earth, and his subjects back? to die for them, so Jesus could be king of earth, rather than Satan king of earth? Isn't this a war? First in heaven, now on earth?
But you don't have a war, only the ra struggle with tov, something bad coming accidently out of GOD, because God can't create tov all the time, and for us, just happened to make a universe of ra? Do people really buy into this idea?
SO why does GOD do bad things to good people? Well God is both good and bad, so he is testing you, and one day if you accept the ra as well as the good, God will reward you for that. Just accept it for now. Is that your answer?
SO why does GOD do bad things to good people? This is Satan's world. God made the world all good, but Satan tricked man to sin. Job was a good person and bad things happened to him, as an example of comfort to us. Jesus was a good person but bad things happened to Him also. Remember Satan hates good people, so sometimes GOD allows us to suffer, if we can handle it, to show how wrong Satan is, and how loving GOD is.
Think for a moment:
In OT the only church was the JEWISH church.
Would Satan leave the followers alone?
Well you say archons test us? I hear you...but why test us? You don't answer this question. If the CHURCH was saved, and they all passed, why the need for further testing? You can't answer this question can you? Perhaps our understanding of salvation is wrong. Yes they accepted the SEED and HE BEGAN in their hearts, but some hearts were filled with Satan, some filled with pride, some filled with lust and some filled with good soil. Remember this parable. The SEED has to GROW and BECOMES salvation in you, as a RELATIONSHIP. So their salvation started, but salvation also must bear fruit, to show that the tov fruits are there, not the fruits of ra.
When Adam sinned there began a natural flood of tov and ra in us, hence JEWS have this in their theology, as I do. We have to grow out of ra and into tov, only by supporting God's powers daily.
What Jews don't understand is where this flood of ra came from? created?
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. 8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
I see two verses here, on the same theme, not one.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, Isa 45:7 I make peace, Isa 45:7 I the LORD do all these things. Isa 45:8 let them bring forth salvation, Isa 45:8 I the LORD have created it.
Notice salvation is created. So the tov is created in us.
Note the opposite to this :
Isa 45:7 I create darkness: (ra relationships) Isa 45:7 I create evil: (ra relationships)
Does these texts tell us HOW GOD creates salvation? no Do these texts tell us HOW GOD creates bad relationships? no
SO the answers for HOW ra relationships come, must be found elsewhere... but we have clues to simile objects in nature...? light and dark
Where does dark come from? It doesn't... sure its made manifest by the light, but dark is not made on its own, dark is the absence of light.
So if shadows exist on earth, and so does night, both of these concepts tell us GOD manifests a world to us with tov and ra in it... created naturally... so where does this same darkness spiritually come from? From the same way natural darkness come from? the absence of light, the absence of GOD in our lives. yes
Scripture tells us natural lessons helps us understand spiritual lessons.
Ps 105:28 He sent darkness, and made it dark; and they rebelled not against his word.
Here is a poetry parallel about choshek, got something to do with rebelling against his word.
Ps 107:10 ¶ Such as sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, being bound in affliction and iron; 11 Because they rebelled against the words of God, and contemned the counsel of the most High: 12 Therefore he brought down their heart with labour; they fell down, and there was none to help. 13 Then they cried unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saved them out of their distresses. 14 He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death, and brake their bands in sunder.
If you read what choshek is and where choshek comes from and what choshek is, the Scripture tells you...
It's a place of relationship, you sit in darkness... like a shadow....OK
Pr 2:13 Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness;
Here choshek is a walk you do in darkness, a choice you make
Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
We are not to make tov into ra or ra into tov, we are to keep both of them separate.
Isa 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Prison is a choshek, why this image? Have beings been shut in choshek in prison?
Mt 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
Here is a cross reference to bring NT choshek into view:
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Many people love by choice the choshek.
Ac 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
WOW this verse explains clearly where choshek comes from, from Satan.
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial?
Again Scripture explains where choshek comes from.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Where does choshek come from? rulers. Which rulers? Devil is named here. And others.
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Paul clearly explains to us where choshek come from? From Satan.
This doesn't mean Satan creates dark. He can't. choshek is made only by reference in the light.
When you block light, you get choshek. Since God is light, GOD creates the affect, but it not the author of the affect. You are. Your blocking the light.
Notice how shadows are made. You block light. You are the father of choshek. What is choshek? An absence of light. If there was no light could you make shadows? no If GOD moved closer to you, could you make shadows ? no, the light sneaks around you and covers the dark, so you can't make shadows if GOD moves closer to you.
So how do I make choshek? By doing, a simple thing. Walk away from GOD.
Scripture says other Beings also walk away from GOD. Who are there? Satan.
Get the idea? It's all in Scripture, not just Ezekiel.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 19, 2019 7:21:40 GMT -5
That is what the serpent told Eve To give you a choice You do not embrace the Hebrew – you said you embrace the sola scriptoria What I said was – Ezekiel was debated heavily by the rabbinic community whether it is inspired or not. Rabbi using you word for word / line for line attitude almost rejected it – because it fails your test Even your perfect sola scriptoria was the result of much debate If you can read Yiddish I know of a book for you – but in English you should read: Ezekiel or Pseudo-Ezekiel, by Shalom Speigel, Jewish Institute of Religeon, NY – Doubts concerning the Homogeneity and Genuineness of the Book, Published by: Cambridge University Press on behalf of the Harvard Divinity School How Catholic – as a Gnostic I want to point out that it was FEMALE EVE – that sinned – it was the male that choose to join her, to be with her YES I AM – WHY are there two religions? Messianic Christians and Roman Christians = two different religions. God choose the Jews, Jesus was a Jew, the decuples were Jews, the audience for Jesus was Jewish – Roman christen wasn’t even invented for 300-500 years later I don’t understand why the original is not the best? But you embrace a replacement theology Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. 1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: Shall I go on? If you are lost as a Soul – and you come to a fork in the road – one exit say heaven and eternal life the other exit says damnation to hell and death Do you just close your eyes and carry on in ignorance or will you choose? Choices have consequences. This Catholic doctrine is Not consistent with Gen1:1-3 I don't think it that hard Deception is the beginning of forgetfulness Any forgetting that God is the absolute is in error – it is a direction way from God is absolute – it is RA Deception is the idea that it is OK to forget that God is absolute In the Gap – (Aeon one) – something happened that was arrogant – it was feminine The first aeon is a feminine first creation that ended with RA Reset Aeon two is a male first creation – and still the feminine chose RA For a Gnostic – this is the same story – one in heaven above - The famine and the choice of RA One on earth below – Eve and her choice of RA (disobedience – forgetting that God is absolute – deception) You are going to say I am wrong – but I read with my heart – not with a dictionary Don’t think so – it says: to turn them from darkness to light – AND- from the power of Satan unto God It does not say satan created the darkness Darkness – Gen 1:2 – Light = Gen1:3 – are you saying your satan god existed before Christ? Promoted by – not created by Oh that’s is a lot different than I don't think it that hard Deception is the beginning of forgetfulness Any forgetting that God is the absolute is in error – it is a direction way from God is absolute – it is RA Deception is the idea that it is OK to forget that God is absolute
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 12:32:09 GMT -5
Dave, I will open this thread, again as the topic is about "praying in the spirit" is a positive thread for us.
Thus in Roman Edit thread, awaiting your reply.
In this thread, I want your opinion of this person Sol and his wife Luna, who both are Gnostic followers...how much of this article makes sense to you?
Archons: Are You Being Controlled by the Forces of Anti-Awakening? by Mateo Sol / 6 min read lonerwolf.com/archons/
I first encountered knowledge of anti-awakening forces while deeply immersed in the book “The Herald of Coming Good” by famous mystic Gurdjieff. In the book, Gurdjieff describes that there are certain forces in life called Tzvarnoharno, a word originally coined by King Solomon of Judea. Tzvarnoharno is a force that arises amongst people which lead to the destruction of anyone who tries to help humanity and results in the destruction of all their efforts.
Rob: "How do we know King Solomon wrote about "Tzvarnoharno"? and not some mystic writer? Essentially, Gurdjieff was describing what I’ve come to encounter on my own journey many times. In psychological terms, we could say that Tzvarnoharno is a “collective unconscious force” whose first instinct is to oppose any counterforce that is attempting to wake people up.
In this article, my intention is to explore this force of anti-awakening, how they’ve arisen in different ways throughout history, and how you may experience them on your own journey.
What Are Archons?
The Gnostics, a mystical branch of Christianity, have known about anti-awakening forces for centuries and wrote about them in their work describing them as “Archons.”
Rob: "Is this a fair assessment of the Gnostics? a mystical branch? Gnostics believe Archons are the servants of the Demiurge, the “creator god” that stands between the human race and experiencing divinity. This divinity can only be reached through mystical experiences which they call gnosis.
Rob: unpack this term "mystical experiences which they call gnosis." please. Although Archons are often depicted as hermaphrodite and alien looking creatures with an insatiable appetite for rape and violence, it’s not fear they use to prevent your transcendence, but ignorance. According to the the Gnostic Gospel of Philip, the Archonic force’s main objective is to keep humans ignorant of their divine origins beyond the physical universe.
Rob: So the Gospel of Philip is inspired? The further I’ve ventured through my journey of growth and change, the more I’ve come to see that there’s much truth in the idea of anti-awakening forces. The universe works in a sort of balance, a self-regulating organism in perfect harmony. Anything that tries to disturb that balance, is immediately attacked by the antibodies of the universe, the Archons.
The Abyss of Truth
If we take a close look through history, we’ll usually see that the work of truth seekers, mystics, and sages has often been suddenly aborted or sabotaged in different ways. The most known example is the crucifixion of Jesus, where we can see the “collective unconscious force” at work, destroying whatever seeks to flood it with light and to flush it with darkness. Other examples of spiritual teachers that have experienced Archonic forces are that of Socrates (who was poisoned), Sufi sage Al-Hillaj Mansoor (who was executed), and numerous other truth seekers such as Galileo, Darwin, Pasteur, the Wright brothers, and countless others who were silenced, rejected or persecuted for their messages. You will notice that to the level they challenged the status quo was the level in which they were resisted by others.
So why is it that anti-awakening Archonic forces exist in the first place?
The answer is that our collective unconsciousness is deeply attached to static ways of being because it is terrified of change. Our profound fear of change ultimately centers around our fear of waking up, because at the core of our being, we know that to embrace change means to embrace death of everything as we know it.
Rob: Does the answer really within us, or within Jesus? I’ve experienced Archonic forces all too often through my own development and teachings. Whenever I questioned something I didn’t intuitively feel was right, I was accused of being a “smart ass” or “rebellious troublemaker” by the people around me.
Rob: Me too
And now, as a teacher who writes about these topics on this website, I’m often accused via emails and messages as “corrupting minds” or leading people astray. I’ve even observed it in fellow teachers, where their students will sabotage their own communities and missions by arguing over petty things like the “right” interpretation of the teachings. An interesting way I like to think about these anti-awakening forces is that we’re all standing on the edge of the abyss that is Truth. Yet each of us is closing our eyes, looking ahead and clinging tightly to anything that we hold on to as “truth,” whether a belief, an identity or a desire. Any time our eyes open and take a fleeting glimpse of the abyss of Truth, we are instantly filled with fear and the desire to return to ignorance again because of its “safety.” Deep down, we know in our hearts that this abyss of Truth represents a spiritual death and the requirement for us to surrender all that we believe to be true. Mostly, this abyss of Truth requires us to surrender our ego identification and enter into the process of ego death. In our spiritual journeys, our egos are the strongest Archon forces we’ll ever encounter. Our egos are almost endlessly creative in their way of surviving and corrupting our every attempt to be free. The ego won’t hesitate to sabotage any legitimate attempt to move in the direction of Light or Truth. And it does so out of intense fear.
Rob: Is our ego, the Hebrew word Baal? Facing the Archons
All of those who are on the path in search for truth and enlightenment may nevertheless carry within themselves a side that is actually opposed to the experience of wholeness. How could there not be this side within us? For the ego, the search for truth is a self-destruct button.
Facing the Archons within us and without us can feel like a constant battle. These anti-awakening forces may present themselves as people who have no interest in supporting us, betraying us, belittling us, tempting us, and gaslighting us.
Psychotherapist Wilhelm Reich, described how humanity since the dawn of time has been affected by what he calls the Emotional Plague; the pain we repeatedly suppress throughout our lives and which prevents us from finding our wholeness.
Rob: I know this Reich.. interesting science
When we do encounter a natural, authentic person, we feel threatened by them and want to destroy or criticize them in some way. Have you ever experienced this feeling? More insidious, however, than external Archons are the anti-awakening forces within our own minds.
In the novel Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and the late Terry Pratchett, a demon called Crowley explains how traffic jams and phone service outages are far more effective in damning Souls than the once popular possessions and temptations. To keep us constantly frustrated and eternally restless is the new way Archonic forces are crushing our human spirits. Perhaps that’s why possessions and encounters with “evil spirits” have diminished over the years. Who has time for them? Between app updates, endless fast food options, Netflix, ordering items from eBay, and the eternal endless stream of content on the internet, who has the time or energy for waking up? The denser our egocentric tendencies become, the less we’ll search for change in any real way, and the further we’ll run from cultivating the freedom and responsibility that accompanies a spiritual awakening to our higher potential.
So how can we prevent these anti-awakening forces from dragging us down into the darkness of unconsciousness? Here are some recommendations:
⦁ Stop distracting yourself with external sources of “happiness” to avoid your ⦁ inner emptiness and restlessness ⦁ Meet your unhappiness and emotional suffering with ⦁ an open heart ⦁ Be mindful and honest about the obstacles in your life (such as avoiding change) Take responsibility for your happiness and wellbeing (because no one else will) ⦁ Instead of ⦁ chasing happiness, search the darkness and you will uncover the Light Self-responsibility and the desire for truth are our greatest allies when it comes to overcoming the forces of anti-awakening. When there is an absence of love and understanding, Archons thrive.
Rob: Not a single mention of Jesus?
The obvious question would have to be are Archons the same thing as either “Draco Reptilians” or “Grey Aliens” ? The next question would be are they Beings from 4th Density or 5th Density who come down to 3rd ? Do they have the Power to manipulate and control individual Humans thru Mind Control ? It appears that their Power is slowly decreasing as we approach the End of the Great Cycle. The Earth Alliance and The Galactic Confederation are taking back Control of Planet Earth from the Forces of Darkness
Mateo Sol May 22, 2019 at 13:59 Thanks for the question. Both those creates ‘aliens’ and ‘reptilians’ in the framework of our practices which are psycho-spiritual fit into the archetypal realms of the mind. Essentially these are beings within Jung’s idea of the ‘collective unconscious’ but not physical creatures as most like to believe. There’s many good books that elaborate on this idea
Sam N Ra November 14, 2019 at 21:13 After years of fighting with people that I had no reason to even care about good or bad, bullies, and for some reason almost feeling targeted in room of normal people, I can attest you all are spot on. I discovered many things over the years but with this topic- which is the topic of topics – people are hosts or vehicles for spirits and the narc and sociopath are people inhabited by a nasty entity that I have come to believe is a archon AKA demon. Fallen angel. same thing. Something that has taken over earth via an infiltration in eons past and using humans as a farm from another dimension. I have found that because their bodies or their reality framework is close to our energetic and or mental bodies, then you fight them with visualization. Ive done the fight back- sending waves of pain and suffering their way, I stayed up for 5 hours one night just bringing them to me and terrorizing them. Now that I have that tool, they use dreamscaping or nightmares since I am too dangerous. This is the REALITY of Earth now. A farm for an alien or dead dinosaur demon that uses us for food. And the persons like us who can see, are attacked from kids. This is NOT spiritual. This is physical they just happen to be in a physical body we cannot interface with. Gnosis. YHWH. Archons. Those 3 subjects. Remember, we’ve been fighting these things for 10’s of thousands of years but they have not found a way to walk physically here or they are blocked from doing so…
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Wife, Luna use tarot and oracle cards to help counsel others Sol, As a child, I lived as a gypsy. Moving between the impoverished streets of India, the exotic shorelines of Spain, and the blistering outback of Australia, I was taught about the impermanence of life from a young age. Living . My mother, a mentally ill alcoholic and drug addict, and my uncle, an unstable schizophrenic, both taught me about the deep plight of the human condition. Inspired by my traumatic upbringing, l began to study psychology and ancient forms of spirituality I’m an eclectic bibliophile: I love collecting and reading all types of books
Shalom my friend
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Post by Dave on Nov 28, 2019 19:19:27 GMT -5
Both the Key of Solomon and the Testament of Solomon have always been a part of the Mid-Rash – some of it became a major role in the Kabbalah.
Mid-Rash – What is it – all ancient Hebrew writings that are non-Tanak – much of it is boring as %& - then there are gems that become valuable - weighted
Gnostic literature is a very large volume – some very pagan – some very mystical – Roman edit
If it isn’t ahl or agl as canonized by Rome – Rome called it Gnostic and ‘Mocked it’
I am a Gnostic Christian – limited to – the Gnostic Library found in the Nag Hammadi Written by many of the same authors as the agl Some claiming to be hidden for the generation of the end of days Found 1945 and the Dead Sea Scrolls found 1947 – Israel becoming reborn in 1948 I find this correlation fascinating and compelling
I am not a mystic Gnostic – I am a Gnostic Christian – because all of the Nag Hammadi is Christ centered
Clarification of terms as used in the Nag Hammadi Demiurge = craftsman / artisan God said let us – someone is helping someone In the Nag Hammadi and Enoch – angels has different duties / functions
God said – let there be Corporal creation came through Christ – and everything everywhere – EXCEPT God/ who is Christ did not create RA directly – it was an indirect by-product – to me it is as inherent to creation as entropy is to negentropy
Question – does this mean Christ made every little thing by Himself – or did He use a helping staff Enoch says – some of the duties of the angels include – tending orbits – stoking the furnaces of stars – is a Cherub a being or vehicle that carries God about
Any angel assisting in creation = a demiurge – a craftsman or artisan Catholics have angels that sit around and sing praises Gnostic have a busy angelic staff singing as they work – tending to heavenly assignments
To say “Demiurge, the “creator god”” is of ancient use – not consistent with the Nag Hammadi
Vocabulary – the term ‘mystical’ makes a Catholic uncomfortable
Paul met Christ on the Highway – Paul was transported into the third heaven Paul gnosis – that gnosis transformed him – The truth is a divine revelation mystical – spooky – metaphysical = vocabulary
I am going to stick to saying – 1st Thes 5:21 In my copy of the Nag Hammadi – I have much red ink and many question marks
There are a few sections of Phillip that are very weird to me and I really have to stretch to make them fit
The Nag Hammadi Library - The Gospel of Philip God is a dyer. As the good dyes, which are called "true", dissolve with the things dyed in them, so it is with those whom God has dyed. Since his dyes are immortal, they become immortal by means of his colors.
God is a man-eater. For this reason, men are sacrificed to him. Before men were sacrificed, animals were being sacrificed, since those to whom they were sacrificed were not gods.
Truth did not come into the world naked, but it came in types and images. The world will not receive truth in any other way. There is a rebirth and an image of rebirth. It is certainly necessary to be born again through the image. Which one? Resurrection. The image must rise again through the image. The bridal chamber and the image must enter through the image into the truth: this is the restoration. Not only must those who produce the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, do so, but have produced them for you. If one does not acquire them, the name ("Christian") will also be taken from him. But one receives the unction of the [...] of the power of the cross. This power the apostles called "the right and the left." For this person is no longer a Christian but a Christ.
I think I get this last one now - For this person is no longer a Christian but a Christ satan = the accuser – the opponent – the one who hinders – this can be any angel used by God in that role – Gnostics say, I can be your satan – you can be mine Christ = Savior – Abraham, Joseph, Moses, and even non-Jew Cyrus were all types of Christ Gnostics say, I can be your – you can be mine It is a statement of function – not personage
Yes - and it comes in waves - ask me about 500BC or 1400AD - the hand of God is apparent
Me Too
The answer is within us – because we were once in full awareness of the Lord – deep inside we gnosis There is the Jewish shortcut to the Bosom of Abraham’s Bosom – Enoch and Elijah are examples God blessed them – were they perfect sinless – or did they just impress the Lord so much they were rewarded – either For the rest of us – less than perfect that impress no one – we need the help of Jesus, we cannot do it on our own – we are a weaker species – or we live in a more RA world
IMO - Baal is a word like satan – it is a being and a function – either way it is archon I describe ego as animal – I am animal with carnal desires – (Mind-Body) over-riding Soul - self –centered = ego-centric = me me me – terrible twos
And it does so out of intense fear. – WHY? – Instinctive self-preservation – yester ra
The Nag Hammadi Library - The Apocryphon of James Do you dare to spare the flesh, you for whom the Spirit is an encircling wall? If you consider how long the world existed <before> you, and how long it will exist after you, you will find that your life is one single day, and your sufferings one single hour. For the good will not enter into the world. Scorn death, therefore, and take thought for life! Remember my cross and my death, and you will live!"
But I answered and said to him, "Lord, do not mention to us the cross and death, for they are far from you." The Lord answered and said, "Verily, I say unto you, none will be saved unless they believe in my cross. But those who have believed in my cross, theirs is the kingdom of God. Therefore, become seekers for death, like the dead who seek for life; for that which they seek is revealed to them. And what is there to trouble them? As for you, when you examine death, it will teach you election. Verily, I say unto you, none of those who fear death will be saved; for the kingdom belongs to those who put themselves to death. Become better than I; make yourselves like the son of the Holy Spirit!"
So - why don't we just kill ourselves and go on to heaven? The Mission of our Soul is to Love the other Souls trapped here in their souljourn - help them remember - we cannot be God's Love for our fellow man - if we are dead
I wrote: The Psychology of Understanding … we, as a species, are a programmable commodity and our DNA is the program. Whether it is the end result of natural selection, or direct intervention, could there be a genetic imprint that prevents us from seeing the obvious? Call it whatever you want, it does seem that we are biologically challenged to see things as they really are.
I like it
I am a Gnostic Christian loud and clear – Nag Hammadi authored by the same authors as the agl – The First Jewish Christians – all Christ centered
1-the same thing as either “Draco Reptilians” or “Grey Aliens” ? -- YES
2-are they Beings from 4th Density or 5th Density who come down to 3rd ? Catholics say – the ‘Powers & Principalities’ occupy the first heaven above us – closest to man and farthest from God’s throne - Gnostics add – in the earth and on the earth (Repheim) Inter / Intra-dimensional visitiation - UFOs - demons - Jinn - etc
3-Do they have the Power to manipulate and control individual Humans thru Mind Control ? Koran Jinn (which are Gnostic archon) can make you see things Shapeshifting – ugly hideous monsters – angels of light – alien creatures – shadow people These are all archon – but there power = they make you see them as they want David Ike – came upon a reptilian and it shapeshifted into a man in a suit – I believe that nothing changed physically – only David Ike’s perception They cannot make you sin – it is our perception they dull – anti-awakening
4-It appears that their Power is slowly decreasing as we approach the End of the Great Cycle. NOT DECREASED just modernized – not witches and demons – now we have UFOs and aliens and Godless Evolution Public Education
5-The Earth Alliance and The Galactic Confederation are taking back Control of Planet Earth from the Forces of Darkness -
Cool – if it is Star Wars is it Darth Vader and the Sith against the Force and the Jedi If it is Original Star Trek – it is the Federation of Planets against the Klingon Empire Star Trek TNG – it’s the Federation vrs the Romulins Deep Space 9 – it’s the Federation vrs the Dominion Babylon 5 (my fav) it is Earth alliance and the Shadows vrs the Vorlon and the Religion of Truth
All of it is Rev 12 and the cosmic war between TOV and RA
Even in my book I point out that in the last great battel
Isa 13:4 … Jehovah of hosts is mustering the host for the battle. They come from a far country, from the uttermost part of heaven, even Jehovah,
Then I say – sure sounds farther away than Kansas
catholic Psychology? IMO – archon are real entities – unseen entities – that can be seen when it serves their purpose – or make us see whatever they want us to see Archons affect the physical – leave physical evidence - same as UFOs
This is 100% Koran – the Jinn feed off our fear As a Gnostic I could see this metaphorically angels do not eat why should other spirit beings? However, our fear could provide them with satisfaction – because it makes them feel powerful
All in all – this is very Gnostic indeed I would use the same expressions or vocabulary – but over all – I do not disagree other than the fact it fails to honor Christ
Different group – the archon that walk among us are the Rephiem DNA remnant of Canaan
Jdg 2:1 And the angel of Jehovah came up from Gilgal to Bochim. And he said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you: 2 and ye shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall break down their altars. But ye have not hearkened unto my voice: why have ye done this? 3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
NO WAY JOSE! = necromancy. I acknowledge the reality of the Archon – I do not speak with them Back in 1974, I did attempt a Peyote induced spiritual awakening – all I did was throw up for hours Honestly – if the opportunity came walking in my door – I don’t know what I would say
I am manic depressive – traumatic (upbringing blames another – I am genetically encoded) My demons caused me to seek relief / correction / guidance – caused me to dig deeper than Sun day church. I am a eclectic bibliophile - I love reading INDEXED literature - why did Rome not want me to see it - what did they hide - and consistantly - they hide the archon - almost as if the catholic Church was usurpted by satan and his gang
My walk as a Christian is much more Gnostic than anything I hear in a Sun day church – is it all Feel Good – NO – its reality and that reality is a Contest for survival no matter what level you apply the meaning
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Post by Dave on Nov 29, 2019 12:14:13 GMT -5
I wouldn,t use the same expressions or vocabulary anti-awakening = Nag Hammadi - we forgot what we gonis in the womb - or Soul wants us to remember to awaken is to remember I have read a bunch of stuff - but this is the first time I heard the expression Demiurge = creator god - it is always a creator angel in what I read
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 16:05:46 GMT -5
Rob: "So the Gospel of Philip is inspired? Dave: "I am going to stick to saying – 1st Thes 5:21 In my copy of the Nag Hammadi – I have much red ink and many question marks
There are a few sections of Phillip that are very weird to me and I really have to stretch to make them fitI have this problem with some of the materials you show me, sometimes it makes sense, and agrees with the Hebrew, often it doesn't agree and totally weird. And often the material is mystical, meaning weird, confusing and written in a way to tie your thinking in knots. When I compare the Gnostic material with the Hebrew material, I do not come across anything much that is weird, or difficult ...although being poetry, many sentences I read make no sense to me at all, so I leave them alone. The problem lies not with reading the Hebrew poetry, but understanding its similes and meanings. For example: Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness (dark-relationships), and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.Cyrus was chosen as a simile of a Messiah, to save people from dark-relationships, the "choshek" caused when people walk away from GOD. This included Israel as well as Babylon. Not sure why call "choshek" a treasure? Perhaps Israel is still a treasure to GOD even when they walk in "choshek"? Stuff like this... difficult to fathom... When I read material from the Gospel of Philip, much of it glares my mind: "He redeemed the good people in the world as well as the evil."There are no good people, Hebrew says, no not one. Jesus came to save sinners, while we were sinning Jesus died for us. Yes, we who have known Christ, our sinning stops, for if our sinning does not stop, we have neither sown Jesus, nor known Him. These texts are hard, I find myself missing Jesus power more and more each day, but Jesus reminds me these are sin-offerings NOT unto death. Thus the relationship remains connected, while I am aware of my missing Jesus second by second, in my daily walk with Him. " Light and Darkness, life and death, right and left, are brothers of one another"What? Tov and Ra are brothers? I don't think so. Life and death are not brothers either. Part of the problem here, is I have to trust the translator got the translation right. I really need to read the original language, check it in Interlinear, and electronically look up every word to see it the translation is consistent. The material is not written for me to test it correctly, hence I have to read it with a grain of salt. (I have no other choice- unlike the KJV Bible is electronically available with Interlinear, I can read the Hebrew, cross reference the Greek, and check the meaning of each Hebrew word wherever the word is found in the Bible ) "The rulers (archons) wanted to deceive man, since they saw that he had a kinship with those that are truly good". Here the translator leaves the word untranslated "archons" as well as translated "rulers". Why do this? To make "archon" a popular spoken word? "The rulers thought that it was by their own power and will that they were doing what they did, but the Holy Spirit in secret was accomplishing everything through them as it wished" There is no Bible support for archons being empowered by the Holy Spirit. Jg 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem;This text seems to support the idea the Holy Spirit empowers ra. Does this mean GOD sends the ra first, than sin happens? Or does the person sin first, and God responds? Which way is it? It has to be the sinner makes the relationship and GOD responds. If you walk away from GOD, what happens? Place a pen under a light, and move it upwards towards the light. You will see two shadows, and one shadow in the middle gets smaller while the outer shadow gets bigger. The blackest shadow science calls umbra, the other lighter shadow pre-umbra. spiritualsprings.org/ss-1026.htm If you walk away from GOD, what happens? The umbra shadow gets larger showing your travelling authority before God. Does GOD create the affect? yes, but does not father the affect, you do that yourself. You cannot make dark-relationship shadows without referencing it to light. "Some said, "Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit." They are in error. They do not know what they are saying. When did a woman ever conceive by a woman? "Interesting. The heavenly Father did not conceive Mary, either? Both heavenly parents conceived their Son, adding Mary's gamete to their Son, both Father and Holy Spirit came over Mary, not one divine member of GOD, but two, as the born process requires. This makes Mary's womb like a surrogate, a mystery how humanity was added to divinity, in the Son of GOD. I like the way the Gospel of Philip says the Holy Spirit is a simile of a woman. My SDA people would not agree with this. ""The Father" and "the Son" are single names; "the Holy Spirit" is a double name. "This suggests to me, the writer is not Hebrew, but Greek? Hebrew rarely writes "noun-noun" constructs, what we call adjectives, but this construct is not an adjective, but the special reference is to the third co-eternal Being of the Godhead. I am not a Hebrew expert, so cannot comment further. "The saints are served by evil powers, for they are blinded by the Holy Spirit into thinking that they are serving an (ordinary) man whenever they do so for the saints. Because of this, a disciple asked the Lord one day for something of this world. He said to him, "Ask your mother, and she will give you of the things which are another's." The apostles said to the disciples, "May our entire offering obtain salt." They called Sophia "salt". Without it, no offering is acceptable. But Sophia is barren, without child. For this reason, she is called "a trace of salt". "No idea what this is talking about? The Holy Spirit is a simile of salt? The saints are served by evil powers? The Holy Spirit is barren, without child. She is called "a trace of salt". Your comments please? "Those who have gone astray, whom the spirit begets, usually go astray also because of the Spirit. Thus, by one and the same breath, the fire blazes and is put out." So the Holy Spirit empowers both tov and ra in us, and responsible for either? I don't like this idea...it is error. The spirit does not beget anything, nor use its own power to beget a change in us, its a medium, a channel for the Fathers power or the Son's power or both, but never her own power. Notice this verse for example: Isa 63:9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. 10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. (KJV)Isa 63:9 In all their affliction Jesus was afflicted, and the Messenger of Jesus' presence saved them: in his femaleness-love and in his pity Jesus redeemed them; and Jesus bare them, and carried them all the days of old. 10 But Israel rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore Jesus was turned to be their enemy, and Jesus fought against them. (Ancient Hebrew by Rob)Notice the way both Jesus and the Holy Spirit function as one. Who does the empowering? Jesus does. Notice "his femaleness-love" is a strange notion. The Holy Spirit has femaleness-love, but it is referenced as Jesus femaleness-love. It is difficult to unravel where the love comes from, Jesus only, the Holy Spirit only, or both together as one. I see them working together. It has to be Jesus power through the Holy Spirit, so as a medium, the sinners do not perish in the presence of divine power. Only a medium function allows sinners to exist and not perish. Also notice when you sin, Jesus becomes your enemy...you walk away from Jesus, your shadows of darkness increase. Echamoth is one thing and Echmoth, another. Echamoth is Wisdom simply, but Echmoth is the Wisdom of death, which is the one who knows death, which is called "the little Wisdom". SO the Holy Spirit is both great wisdom and the little wisdom? Echamoth, where is this term in the Bible? "The Holy Spirit shepherds everyone and rules all the powers, the "tame" ones and the "wild" ones, as well as those which are unique"This is error. The Holy Spirit does not shepherd anyone. The Father and His Son are shepherds. When Jesus, spoke of another comforter, the Holy Spirit empowers Jesus to us. Why can't Jesus empower us directly? Because He is in heaven in human form forever for us. The Holy Spirit is able to empower Jesus power in us, on His behalf. The Holy Spirit rules all the powers, the "tame" ones and the "wild" ones...So there is only ever one ruler over our soul? No Why does Jesus call the Chief Archon a prince of this world? This is a different ruler. An enemy of Christ? yes. The correct statement would be: The Holy Spirit administrates all the powers, the "tame" ones and the "wild" ones... or The Holy Spirit "allows the observation of" all the powers, the "tame" ones and the "wild" ones... "God is a dyer. " There is a Hebrew word for this. "You saw Christ, you became Christ. You saw the Father, you shall become Father. "By beholding we become changed. "God is a man-eater. For this reason, men are sacrificed to him. " Weird? " Glass decanters and earthenware jugs are both made by means of fire. " Did glass jars exist in the days of Philip? I doubt this? "The eucharist is Jesus. For he is called in Syriac "Pharisatha," which is "the one who is spread out," for Jesus came to crucify the world. What? The Lord went into the dye works of Levi. He took seventy-two different colors and threw them into the vat. Why 72? 6 times 12 = 72? Ron Wyatts Noah' ark had 72 ribs on each side, 144 in total. "They said to him "Why do you love her more than all of us?" The Savior answered and said to them,"Why do I not love you like her? When a blind man and one who sees are both together in darkness, they are no different from one another. When the light comes, then he who sees will see the light, and he who is blind will remain in darkness." Did this jealousy exist? "The forms of evil spirit include male ones and female ones. When the wanton women see a male sitting alone, they leap down on him and play with him and defile him. So if the image and the angel are united with one another, neither can any venture to go into the man or the woman. Is this Biblical? " Its good things are not good, and its evil things not evil. But there is evil after this world which is truly evil - what is called "the middle". It is death. "Weird? The Lord did everything in a mystery, a baptism and a chrism and a eucharist and a redemption and a bridal chamber.Not so. Weird. Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: Jesus unravelled mysteries, if we have light... "For it would be better for them to say, "The inner and outer, and what is outside the outer". Because of this, the Lord called destruction the "the outer darkness": "Shadows make this outer and inner darkness, we can experiment with shadows. "When Eve was still with Adam, death did not exist. When she was separated from him, death came into being. "Good that it defines death as separation. Bad because it suggests Eve died before she sinned, by waking away from Adam? "My God, my God, why, O Lord, have you forsaken me?" (Mk 15:34). It was on the cross that he said these words, for he had departed from that place. death = separation Fancy that. The Gospel of Philip has truth, no other church agrees to, that death is defined as separation. The Lord sowed this definition directly from Ellen White writing. A true definition of the second death..
And now the Lord of life and glory was dying, a ransom for the race. It was the sense of sin, bringing the Father's wrath upon him as ma n's substitute, that made the cup he drank so bitter, and broke the heart of the Son of God. Death is not to be regarded as an angel of mercy. Nature recoils from the thought of dissolution, which is the consequence of sin. {3SP 161.2}Dissolution is a term meaning when things separate... Through the Holy Spirit we are indeed begotten again, but we are begotten through Christ in the two. We are anointed through the Spirit. When we were begotten, we were united. None can see himself either in water or in a mirror without light. Nor again can you see in light without mirror or water. For this reason, it is fitting to baptize in the two, in the light and the water. Now the light is the chrism. medium function of Holy Spirit mentioned here...your comments Dave? "There were three buildings specifically for sacrifice in Jerusalem. The one facing the west was called "The Holy". Another, facing south, was called "The Holy of the Holy". The third, facing east, was called "The Holy of the Holies", the place where only the high priest enters. Baptism is "the Holy" building. Redemption is the "Holy of the Holy". "The Holy of the Holies" is the bridal chamber"The temple of GOD , with holy of holies, faced west, you entered east. This building language is totally weird? "The Holy of the Holies" is the bridal chamber" too much overtones with sex. Sure "yada" means to be "intimate" not only know, but not these overtones of sex. Weird. "If the woman had not separated from the man, she should not die with the man. His separation became the beginning of death. Because of this, Christ came to repair the separation, which was from the beginning, and again unite the two, and to give life to those who died as a result of the separation, and unite them. But the woman is united to her husband in the bridal chamber. Indeed, those who have united in the bridal chamber will no longer be separated. Thus Eve separated from Adam because it was not in the bridal chamber that she united with him. "Weird. Definition of death is correct. No church assembly views this that I am aware of. The overtones of sex is weird, and wrong. Is GOD really gender male and gender female? Scripture does not say... the Hebrew word "womb" in noun form means "compassion-centre" in verb form "compassion", so is there a Hebrew word for "womb", not really. It means something else. The physical word for womb is belly. I find GOD is using similes, but wanting to show us more than the physical sex overtones. God is beyond merely being matter. "The soul of Adam came into being by means of a breath. The partner of his soul is the spirit. His mother is the thing that was given to him. His soul was taken from him and replaced by a spirit. " Weird? How can a soul be taken and still be alive? So after sin the mother Holy Spirit changes into a different spirit, the RA Spirit, is this it? No it removes the origin of sin, and changes sin away from rulers ruling over your soul. "Indeed, one must utter a mystery. The Father of everything united with the virgin who came down, and a fire shone for him on that day. He appeared in the great bridal chamber. Therefore his body came into being on that very day. It left the bridal chamber as one who came into being from the bridegroom and the bride. So Jesus established everything in it through these. It is fitting for each of the disciples to enter into his rest. Weird, overtones with sex too much. "Adam came into being from two virgins, from the Spirit and from the virgin earth. Christ therefore, was born from a virgin to rectify the Fall which occurred in the beginning"Weird? There are two trees growing in Paradise. The one bears animals, the other bears men. Adam ate from the tree which bore animals. He became an animal and he brought forth animals. For this reason the children of Adam worship animals. Weird? SO why wasn't the tree called animals, the other called men? It wasn't. God created man. [...] men create God. That is the way it is in the world - men make gods and worship their creation.Weird. Removes Satan and origin of sin. Suggests sins comes only from man himself. "Philip the apostle said, "Joseph the carpenter planted a garden because he needed wood for his trade. It was he who made the cross from the trees which he planted. His own offspring hung on that which he planted. His offspring was Jesus, and the planting was the cross." But the Tree of Life is in the middle of the Garden. However, it is from the olive tree "So Jesus died on a olive tree wood? grown by Joseph? really? "This world is a corpse-eater. "When 16 I wrote a poem, the world is built on death. "The world came about through a mistake. For he who created it wanted to create it imperishable and immortal. He fell short of attaining his desire. "SO now our Jesus Creator is less than wise, made a mistake? Really? no A horse sires a horse, a man begets man, a god brings forth a god. Compare the bridegroom and the bride. What? Whereas in this world the union is one of husband with wife - a case of strength complemented by weakness(?) Weird? When that spirit blows, it brings the winter. When the Holy Spirit breathes, the summer comes. SO both ra and tov spirit belong to the Holy Spirit? no Frequently, if a woman sleeps with her husband out of necessity, while her heart is with the adulterer with whim she usually has intercourse, the child she will bear is born resembling the adulterer. Now you who live together with the Son of God, love not the world, but love the Lord, in order that those you will bring forth may not resemble the world, but may resemble the Lord. epi-genetics overtones of sex, weird. Farming in the world requires the cooperation of four essential elements. A harvest is gathered into the barn only as a result of the natural action of water, earth, wind and light. God's farming likewise has four elements - faith, hope, love, and knowledge. weird? There is the Son of Man and there is the son of the Son of Man. The Lord is the Son of Man, and the son of the Son of Man is he who creates through the Son of Man. The Son of Man received from God the capacity to create. He also has the ability to beget. He who has received the ability to create is a creature. He who has received the ability to beget is an offspring. He who creates cannot beget. weird, really weird? No one can know when the husband and the wife have intercourse with one another, except the two of them. Indeed, marriage in the world is a mystery for those who have taken a wife. If there is a hidden quality to the marriage of defilement, how much more is the undefiled marriage a true mystery! weird, overtones of sex too much When Abraham [...] that he was to see what he was to see, he circumcised the flesh of the foreskin, teaching us that it is proper to destroy the flesh. really? isn't this a symbol of the cutting the heart flesh? As for ourselves, let each one of us dig down after the root of evil which is within one, and let one pluck it out of one's heart from the root. So we have the root of evil within us? No wonder I stay clear of such writings...too much trouble to unravel what they are saying... The Hebrew, though difficult, is at least more consistent. No wonder this material in not in the Bible...its totally weird... Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 30, 2019 17:22:57 GMT -5
Makes me think – Ponder – especially if you feel as if Rome has misrepresented the original Earthly properity? Good people – Enoch and Elijah (the only two we know about – not saying there are not more from all parts of the globe – Psalm, 19:1 Rom 1:20) As in TOV and RA / Light and Dark / Good and Evil – they are a duality that are intertwined Truly Good – Enoch / Elijah Satan is a being and a function Are you quoting me – or the text – if me I may have added - (Archon) HS is the omnipresent matrix / ether / medium that all things are formed upon www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/glassThe earliest manufacture of glass does not antedate the late third millennium B.C.E., when the first glass beads were made in Mesopotamia and Egypt. The invention of glass vessel-making dates to the mid-second millennium B.C.E., when the first core-formed glass vessels appear almost simultaneously in Egypt and Mesopotamia. Egypt's glass industry was particularly flourishing in the el-Amarna period (the first half of the 14th century B.C.E.). Some Mesopotamian glass vessels have been found in northern Syria, though none in Palestine, but several Palestinian sites have yielded Egyptian glass vessels of the 14th–13th centuries B.C.E. A rich collection of such vessels was found in the small Canaanite Fosse Temple at Lachish; others were found at Beth Shean and Tell Dayr ʿAllā (the ancient Sukkoth). Egyptian glass vessels were also found in tombs at Tell al-ʿAjūl, Beth Shemesh, and Ẓahrat al-Ḥumrāya south of Jaffa. Gezer and Megiddo yielded similar glass vessels What if I said Jesus came to judge this world – purify this world – offer purification to those in this world – the rest = lake of fire In The Nag Hammadi there are many references to the 72 heavens / realm / within the darkness – each with its own archon ruler Koran – Allah – each sodier that dies in Jihad receives – 72 mansions in paradise – each with a virgin - Courious Rom 11:7 What then? That which Israel seeketh for, that he obtained not; but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened: 8 according as it is written, God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, unto this very day. 9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, And a stumblingblock, and a recompense unto them: 10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, And bow thou down their back always. Gen 1:27 And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. God does his part, Christ does his part, HS does its part, the prophets, the Torah all do their parts - YOU have to do your part (Wiki) The Gospel of Philip is one of the Gnostic Gospels, a text of New Testament apocrypha, dated to around the 3rd century but lost in medieval times until an Egyptian man rediscovered it by accident, buried in a cave near Nag Hammadi, in 1945. The text is not related to the canonical gospels and is not accepted as canonical by the Christian church. Although it may seem similar to the Gospel of Thomas, scholars are divided as to whether it is a single discourse or a collection of Valentinian sayings. Sacraments, in particular the sacrament of marriage, are a major theme. As in the other gnostic texts, the Gospel of Thomas and Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Philip defends the tradition that gives Mary Magdalene special insight into Jesus' teaching, but does not support "twenty-first-century inventions concerning Mary Magdalene as Jesus' wife and mother of his offspring My copy has 2 pages of declaimers and problems in translation due to source quality. It exist in three translation – I only have the one Gnostic Society Translation. All of the Nag Hammadi comes with a disclamer about 1- the lack of comparative text – total copies of Philip = 1 Unlike the Synoptic Gospels – (Wiki) Testament manuscripts which present hundreds of thousands of textual variants, scholars use textual criticism to determine which gospel variants could theoretically be taken as 'original'. – and they all blend into a well written story 2- the quality of the translators – parts of Plato’s republic is terribly translated – the translator missed the bigger means of things – Arrg! – back to #1 and the Roman edit 1 Thes 5:21
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 12:54:59 GMT -5
Nice reply Dave
I can accept ra and tov as brothers, if we are referencing the world we exist in now...
Philip:" "The Holy Spirit shepherds everyone and rules all the powers, the "tame" ones and the "wild" ones, as well as those which are unique"
Dave: "HS is the omnipresent matrix / ether / medium that all things are formed upon
Rob: "I can accept that idea, as I explained before, it depends how we see the word "ruler". I see the HS as an administrator of tov and ra, as a medium does, but does not directly empower either tov or ra, other Beings do this.
I didn't know about glass jars made since Egyptian times. Thank you.
So your suggesting parts of Philip are good, and parts are not? in this weird array before us, we pick and choose the best? I can relate to that, for some parts of Philip have material not found across any church faith:
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"death is the separation of powers from GOD"
Muslims question saying if Jesus is god, how can god die? Well if the second death is about separation of the members of GOD from each other, there is your answer. The first death is just a sleep, not a biochemical separation of living powers for every cell, though the conscience mind ends that very day, and our thoughts perish, the Scripture says, ie: we know and remember nothing from the first death.
All those who do ra will experience separation from GOD, ie non-existence, proving GOD cannot tolerate ra in any form at all.
"There were three buildings specifically for sacrifice in Jerusalem. The one facing the west was called "The Holy". Another, facing south, was called "The Holy of the Holy". The third, facing east, was called "The Holy of the Holies", the place where only the high priest enters. Baptism is "the Holy" building. Redemption is the "Holy of the Holy". "The Holy of the Holies" is the bridal chamber"
Comment on this please... it is error?
"The world came about through a mistake. For he who created it wanted to create it imperishable and immortal. He fell short of attaining his desire. "
SO now our Jesus Creator is less than wise, made a mistake? Really? no
Your comments please?
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