Feminism Revisited

[Dave]

Apr 14, 2016 18:28:44 GMT -5 Loretta said:

I accept your apology Just happened to check in to see what's new. I don't nor intend to teach or preach in a public setting, but I have been compelled by the Lord to go to the front of a group and give a prophetic word. There is so much opportunity to share, one on one, what God is teaching me. Interesting timing to 'check in" huh?

I am deeply humbled and your post is an answer to prayer!

It is so difficult to debate/discuss many theological issues because all theological issues are personal. I never meant to make the discussion between us personal. But the truth is - it is completely personal to me as a man in the 21st century, in which the culmination of all the suffrage/ women rights / feminism movements (regardless of what you call it) impact me personally as a husband, as a father of two young girls, and as a "Christian."

I am not the male chauvinist you might think me to be - but I framed my argument poorly to achieve my intended goal.

Your original question to me long ago is not answerable in your favor within the context of Roman Churchanity - This revelation was my goal.

My question to you over and over was - If I believe that the Holy Scriptures (as Rome presents them) is the inspired word of God -- then how can those same church leaders redact / omit / dilute / ignore both Old and New Testament scripture frowning upon women publicly speaking with churches to the extent that they are forbidden to ask questions in open forum.

How can 2997 pages of my Roman Canon be the holy inspired word of God - but because of new current social trends we can all omit these 3 pages.

I rail at this attitude - if any of scripture can be passed off as a non-relevant, or even fictional, or perhaps copied from an older Summarian text - it only harms the public impression of the faith. It is a dilution and therefore a pollution of that public image about the inaccuracy or fallacy of the FAITH.

I hope I make it perfectly clear that the argument today is not between the FACT of science versus Roman Christendom Mythology - but more accurately best fist scientific theory with scripture

The Creation is not a myth
The Flood of Noah is perfectly scientifically describable by employing J. Marvin Herndon's Theory of Whole Earth Decompression Dynamics and my followup Fluid Dynamics theory.

In keeping with this same conviction the the accuracy of the word - how do I justify a female pastor within the context of Paul's epistles? - YOU CAN"T!

So - What is a modern 21st century Christian man / or woman to conclude

1 - Christianity as a whole is obsolete? Past its relevance?
2- Christianity is just incorrect in this regard - therefore we can now pick and choose which passages are relevant to us today
3- once we began to dilute it in part we dilute it in whole and the next thing you know we live in a society where transgender women can Shepard a flock of homosexual men to salvation, but do not understand how to justify their own place within Roman scripture.
4- all of this dilutes and pollutes the FAITH

The answer?

Roman Canon, Roman Christendom, and Roman Scripture is obviously incomplete, incorrectly edited in a pro-male-centric way, by men for me.

Gospel of Thomas gets a lot of criticism. It is set up in a Q & A format and many of the questions are seemingly bizarre today. But to the question about a woman's relation to Christ and therefor the Church (i.e. Body of Christ) -

Jesus's answer is in two parts:

1- A woman is under a man's subjection,
OT and even in the NT the responsibility for the salvation for the whole household is the father / man of the house. If my brother dies I am even to take in his wife and his 27 children if necessary.

2- But after the comma, Jesus says - until the woman becomes a man
Roman makes fun of this passage - women becoming men, but then turn around and teach about being Born Again of spirit.

Today, women are the head of the household, responsible for their family in every way - this is of course after her tour of duty as a US Marine.

Gnostic Christian's hold women in equal regard as to their relationship to the Lord ans well as their own responsibility for their own salvation.

We are all theologically on our own

ALL THINGS ARE RELATED

Possibly my error in our previous discussion was to use social trends as data to support a position. So I want to separate this very important social-science prophesy fulfillment.

Then there is the question of what is and what isn't relevant scripture.

[Dave]

Social trends and Feminism

Now before I get myself into trouble - what I say next is just academic and never personal.

Be not of this world - therefore if some woman chooses to peruse a life of politics, fame, and wealth -- it mean's nothing to me because it has absolutely no impact as to my personal salvation. Just as if any man in the same role would have no impact.

My girls are 10 and 11 and I home school them the following - if I am in error correct me.

Are we in the end times? How does a father properly and impartially explain to them Mormonism versus Catholicism. We walk around carrying our Bible's but how do we see and interpret our reality through that scripture?

My girls are too young to hear this yet, but I'll begin with Roman's Chapter 1 and make it about a homosexual male. Roman's 1 clearly says - to the nation that denies God as the Creator - He will side track with homosexuality. Look at America since WWI - Darwin / Astrophysics / Education - what is the trend. Roman's 1 is prophetic of America! Roman's 1 is prophetic of our entire Western Culture. Billy Gram is quoted as saying - if God doesn't judge American, He will owe Sodom and Gomorrah an apology

SO WHAT - my Liberal friend's all say

Social Science Demographics

Every advertising / news story you hear are all engineered to present the illusion of continued growth and development. Make that 30 yr investment - take out a long term mortgage - put all of your money into an electronic 401/3/b/c stock / IRA / retirement

We repeatedly see visual aids to strengthen the illusion



The question of many documentaries revolve on the struggle to feed our eventual 10 / 12 billion population load on society.

Yet, my government continues to borrow like there is no tomorrow - why - because they know there is no tomorrow.

The truth is not the total population count - but rather the birth rate that matter in social demographics. Our increase in population is not a birth explosion (as we we all taught in the 1970s population bomb), but a health explosion.

Birth rates for Caucasian Western Culture has been in decline since 1955
We already have more welfare expense than the globe can afford and not enough tax base to cover the cost.

Demographic Winter is coming - our government has known it for a long time



This graph was presented at the UN in 1994



The point - population is in dramatic decline and agriculture is in trouble

Roman's chapter 1 has had a much greater role in prophesy fulfillment than given credit. Homosexuality, broken families, all weaken us as a species. If you understand the social science of the collapse of our Western culture and the extinction of Caucasians in general.

How does the social science of the collapse of the Western Caucasian Culture weigh in the question of whether we are in the end times or not?



All THINGS ARE RELATED / RELEVANT ON SOME LEVEL

Feminism Revisited - Just as homosexuality and everything else is negatively impacting the strength of the family unit - and therefor playing an role in the social trend of Roman's chapter 1 - the empowerment of women also plays a role in this same social trend.

So - What is a modern 21st century Christian man / or woman to conclude

As a MAN - I see the covenant upon my shoulder's - yet raising little girls in a 21st century world - aware of the social demands upon them - and me wanting them to be secure in the heart of scripture - and I realize.

I have as close to no male friend's as anyone you know. Why, because be not of this world just gets in my way of spending mindless hours in a sports discussion or cars. I do not hunt or fish because I do not kill. AND - any discussion about some girl is not health for my own walk - all of it is a waste of time. Yet, try and discuss some scripture with some guys at the PUB and everyone gets uncomfortable.

When I was young, I was comforted because my life I was in my fathers hands
As an adult, I tremble because my life is in my own hands - and my families
Have I, in my 60 years of life, ever met another man that I would trust with daughter's heart -
let alone salvation?
Of course it must be their responsibility - as a man - especially with salvation.
In a family setting - with the lack of a man - or a proper male theological leader - what is a modern day woman to do in regards for her own salvation - and her children?
More and more the Gnostic words of Thomas become more relevant than the bulk of male dominated Romanism.

As for encouraging my girls to become President

I could only hope that the words - Be not of this world, but seek ye the kingdom of God - take president in their live as it has in mine.

I quote the words of William Penn - 'How could anyone consumed with seeking the Lord have any time or desire to seek public office'

[Loretta]

....submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God...if we don't each do this, nothing really works.

[Dave]

You are correct - absolutely so

I am a Gnostic. Simply meaning I read all scripture - witch if all creation witnesses to the Lord as Creator - includes science.

Here is a current post from another FORUM I attend (Ancient Hebrew Research):

Jun 2, 2016 9:27:13 GMT -5 @gregorybartholomew said:

Link: Elon Musk: We're Probably Living in a Video Game

... and the supercomputer running the "game" is likely the unembodied mind of God. ...

1 Thes 5:21 - Read/digest/scrutinize/test it all - and keep the good.

You should know the history and theology of the CATHARS, a Gnostic Christian group of the 11th and 12th centuries. They held women in absolutely the same regard as men. Women leaders, women teachers, and even women 'priest' witch caused ROME and the CATHOLIC Christendom's all male club to persecute them to death.

Within the true CHURCH of Christ, I hope I hold women in he same regard. We are all equal before the Lord.

However,

The culture we live within, the cultural heritage we bring with us, the conditioning we all receive from schools, media, and even Christendom's pulpit all condition us with Christendom's male only syndrome. This issue of FEMINISM is the legacy of Christendom's cultural conditioning. This is the point that I wanted to make all this time.

And I asked the question - Paul, in the NT, specifically wrote against women Therefore - how can modern women within the formal Christendom camp justify their own empowerment in direct contrast to NT scripture?

If you hold NT scripture as the only word on the subject - they cannot! - unless their scripture becomes diluted in some way (i.e. some passages are not written for modern times, parts have become outdated or obsolete, parts are not as relevant as others - the Holy Word of God is mistaken) This attitude only serves to weaken the faith.

This is the end result of 2000 years of ROME's guidance - scripture is non-relevant in part, outdated and obsolete in part.
Couple that with the realization that the legacy of Roman Christendom is - IF there is a God then why does He allow all the evil in this world - either He is fictitious and non-tangible - or - that He is not a good God after all or just a weak God.

I am arguing against Roman Christendom's Mythology - not the empowerment of women

But

The trend in feminism is an obvious symptom of the BEAST controlling this world - diluting scripture - polluting scripture - turning the people away from the Creator and toward the Creation. Romans 1 and homosexuality is another symptom, as is, this new modern trend of killing without cause - movie theaters, schools, churches. Not to mention the AMERICAN MILITARY and ISIS.