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Post by Dave on Nov 10, 2019 7:46:59 GMT -5
You seem to consider the Coptic Bible as heresy - why I wouldn't say that? However its hard to read passages of it, such as Pistis Sophia, The Pistis Sophia is no where close to the Coptic Bible. Short Canon or Broader Canon. It is hard to build on a conversation when you continually mix terms How interesting in this day and age when your Coptic and Eastern Oriental Christians are being beheaded by the hundres, in the name of Allah - Israel's #1 'other god' - Yet Christians in Austrailia don't even know who they are. Remembering The 21 Coptic Orthodox Christians Murdered ... www.forbes.com › sites › ewelinaochab › 2019/02/14 › rememberi... Deny Christ - or die
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 12:27:45 GMT -5
Yes of course your right... in all this confusion we ponder, GOD judges you by the light you know...
My understanding is the Coptic people, were the first and oldest Christians, living near Zion, so you have every right to be interested in their faith.
Our turn and your turn, will also come, once the global Sunday decree is established around the world, beginning in America. The mandatory Sunday decree laws were already passed in 1888 in America, but laid to rest by public outcry, but soon such a public outcry will bring it back, and than any faith not related to evolution, naturalism and Sunday, will be exterminated in the "name of Christ". This kind of opposition began even in Paul's day too.
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:5 "These wicked men have" a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2Th 2:3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
This antichrist power was around in Paul's and John's day, beginning than, and continues today. I don't know how you make out the power of Satan into a "good angel doing bad things in a heavenly court for our testing", into a "good guy"?? There is nothing good about torture & dying and His "power and signs and lying wonders," his "strong delusion" ; his "sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" attitude, getting the whole world to worship Satan by force if need be, hence why some are beheaded...
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Post by Dave on Nov 10, 2019 16:16:50 GMT -5
So - in your theology Allah is the anti-christ? and Allah will rule the whole world from Jersualam? Isn't Isreal in the way?
Why does Islam hate the Jews - they are Children od Abraham?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 2:12:50 GMT -5
I don't know. You tell me
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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2019 9:21:42 GMT -5
I don't know. You tell me Here is another facinating thing about churchism 1/3rd of the world's population belongs to a religron, whose only motive is the distruction of Israel and the elimination of the Christian. and Christians are not taught whyMy wife is from Mindanoa - in the year we waithed for our visia to come through 40,000 Christians were displaced in Del Norte by the Muslims - more that 100 were killed - they were hacked in the back with machetties as they tried to run away. Their only crime - they are Christian 2019 Sri Lanka Easter bombings - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org › wiki › 2019_Sri_Lanka_Easter_bombings Their only crime - they are Christian Here is another interesting phenomina - tell me why in the Middle East - Christians are beheaded - not Jews Islam calls for the elimination of the Jews - but they spend their time beheading Christians. Talk about an EDIT of information - why don't Christians know? Deliberately uninformed - unprepared to stand against our enemies - weak Tell me privately if you want - a. Allah = Christian Creator b. Allah = Christian satan c. Allah = a General of Christian satan d. Allah = Jewish Baal e. Allah = Egyptian RA or Set f. Allah = something completely different g. Allah = imaginary
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 13:00:26 GMT -5
Well according to Walter Veith, Allah is a Masonic term, and the Muslims who kill Christians are the right hand Masons of Rome, doing her dirty work. I think if I remember this war was about Rome wanting to set up a Catholic temple on the Rock, established the Muslim with Catholic origins, but when set in motion, they established themselves too much, and did not listen to higher orders. So Rome lost her church on the rock so it seems. I watched one video of Walter Veith, aghast to discover Rome does not follow any of the ten commandments at all, they have a public religion and a private religion, which cattle do not have privy too. So you will never find truth in Rome, it is covered up with both black religion and white religion, one public, the other secret. We speak of Rome as a system, many people in the system, love Jesus as much as we do. The same applies to Allah. It seems Allah is a god who has both love and hate, good and bad, in this deity. It seems righteous to kill people who do not follow Allah? This commandment does not exist in Scripture, however people do point out to me GOD giving commands to kill people, even children? My answers can be unsatisfying at times... for example when GOD saved Israel, how long until they sinned again? 2 of 3 weeks into the journey... and again after receiving the ten commandments ? 40 days.... Should they have received the ten commandments? yes and no...
Ex 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do.
Not a single saved person here is speaking correctly... all already show they are not saved. Sure GOD took them from slavery physically, but they were still slaves to sin. They still have the Baal Master powers of self, they follow GOD using their own human strength.
So what was GOD's response? To give them directions they could not keep, in their own human powers of strength. God worked with stiff necks, and gave them stiff neck instructions. They are glimpses that GOD could have done things differently, but the people refused to listen.
So rather than lay blame on powers, make excuses for my own sinning, I prefer to focus my attention on GOD and get to know Him. Fight the good fight of faith. Don't worry about shadows of darkness... the light is more important...
Dave: "Talk about an EDIT of information - why don't Christians know? Deliberately uninformed - unprepared to stand against our enemies - weak
Talking about EDIT, is not that important... following Jesus is more...becoming a stronger Christian by learning to follow Him correctly...
For example, learning about "emanuah" "faith" what this means? Learning how to pray "pray in the Spirit"...
These are more important.
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Post by Dave on Nov 12, 2019 2:25:27 GMT -5
quote author="@robertt" source="/post/2905/thread" timestamp="1573495226"] It seems Allah is a god who has both love and hate, good and bad, in this deity. [/quote] Disagree – want to compare Korans? It seems righteous to kill people who do not follow Allah? This commandment does not exist in Scripture, Every Muslim is taught to respond with: Luke 19:26 I say unto you, that unto every one that hath shall be given; but from him that hath not, even that which he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But these mine enemies, that would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. learning about "emanuah" "faith" what this means? Learning how to pray "pray in the Spirit"... These are more important. We discussed faith – you disagree with everyone – and that is where we left it I asked you more than once about ‘praying in the spirit’ – no reply These are important – you have a family – spouse – a mess of kids – grandchildren are inevasible Your witness is important to them as well Your co-workers – your UFO neighbors – people that see you in public Your witness is important to them as well You really don’t think Islam is important? en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Christianity_in_Australia Christianity remains the largest religion in Australia, though declining religiosity and diversifying immigration intakes of recent decades have seen the percentage of the population identifying as Christian in the national census decline from 96.1% at the time of the Federation of Australia in the 1901 census, to 52.1 ... en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Religion_in_Australia According to the time series data released with the 2016 census, the fastest growing religious classifications over the ten years between 2006 and 2016 were: No religion – up from 18.7% to 30.1% Hinduism – up from 0.7% to 1.9% Islam – up from 1.7% to 2.6% Sikhism – up from 0.1% to 0.5% en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Islam_in_Australia According to the 2016 Australian Census, the combined number of people who self-identified as Muslim in Australia, from all forms of Islam, constituted 604,200 people, or 2.6% of the total Australian population, an increase of over 15% of its previous population share of 2.2% reported in the previous census 5 years ... mobile.abc.net.au › news › the-australian-mosque Our much more popular suburban mosques, of which there are currently over 340 in Australia (including about 167 in NSW), were usually built after the late 1970s.Sep 22, 2016 en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Growth_of_religion According to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the World Christian Database as of 2007 has Islam as the fastest-growing religion in the world. Sydney siege: Australia's radicalised Muslims in 90 seconds youtu.be/fB7wx7PmkEcHow Australia's Young Muslim Men Are Getting Radicalised youtu.be/4sTsI4hdvHUThere is a social relegious trend approaching you and your familyand it will test your faith - Be aware - or unaware?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 2:58:39 GMT -5
Dave: "We discussed faith – you disagree with everyone – and that is where we left it I asked you more than once about ‘praying in the spirit’ – no reply Actually if we left it, I apologize. I want to understand your understanding of faith, and how it works. It's critical...important for both of us... I have studied the word "faith" I just wanted your opinion... we didn't get into a discussion at all... As for "praying in the spirit" Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; (KJV) Mt 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. Ro 8:26 ¶ Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. These are the only texts that use "pray and spirit" so not sure what you asking here ? Sure I agree the Muslims will take over Australia, but one should spend more time with faith and prayer, and this we have not done. I am willing to do so
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Post by Dave on Nov 12, 2019 5:23:06 GMT -5
My answer was short and you didn’t like it. Rabbi Friedman says – it is the remembrance of our communion with God in the womb Gnostic say – gnosis – I know it – I do not believe it to be – I do not hope it to be – I know it is! The man on the cross only took one step – he knew who Jesus truly was A Catholic is programed to respond by saying – even the demons knew who Jesus was and knew what their own fates were going to be – see knowing is not enough The Gnostic response – this simply proves that these demons (archon) have NO FREE WILL – if they knew all this – why don’t they repent? Because they don’t have the Free Will choice to do so Judge not my friend - If I were a monk, this would be absolutely true A monk is by definition – self-centered – alone in silence You told me once you want to teach others to pray – this is evangelical I am evangelical – I think it my duty to helps others to see God – to remember and wake up If your daughter came to you and asked about pre-marital sex – you would have an opinion If you son asked about doing heroin – you would have an opinion What if your grand-daughter ask about marrying a Muslim – would you have an opinion They want to build a Mosque in your area – you are a voter – do you have an informed opinion? Do you want an informed opinion about a religion that calls for your conversion or death? I see Islam as a full third of the 3 Abrahamic faiths I have GREAT RESPECT for Chuck Missler as a teacher – he is major intelligent and uses a scientific approach to theology – meaning he has no problems talking physics, quantum physics, or time – or chemistry /whatever But the thing that moved me was Walid Shoebat and 666 = Bismallah Missler preached The Rome System as he beast of revelation – until Shoebat Then Missler preached both views – this amazing man of faith grew right in front of us! Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Canon history – check my facts – in all the copies of the agl Book of revelation considered for canon – ONLY ONE CODEX had the phrase 666 – it is the Codex Vatacanus – here is the Greek Then one day – Walid Shoebat a Muslim terrorist as a kid, who did something but doesn’t say, married a Christian – he tried to disprove her Bible and is now a huge Christian Evangelist. As a scholar he studied the Greek and saw this: To me this is just as scriptural as any conversation we can have
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 12:29:03 GMT -5
But the thing that moved me was Walid Shoebat and 666 = Bismallah Missler preached The Rome System as he beast of revelation – until Shoebat Then Missler preached both views – this amazing man of faith grew right in front of us!You will have to verify this, before I agree with you Walid Shoebat on wiki says nothing about your claim Missler, I need the video link? Re 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man;First you have to count the number, second it is the number of a man, not a Bible copy made by a man... Dave: "To me this is just as scriptural as any conversation we can have Ac 17:10 ¶ And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.Every aspect of living in Jesus, has to come from Scripture... so prove this wonderful discovery to me, where is the evidence in Scripture, and on the Internet? However looking at it, it looks convincing
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Post by Dave on Nov 12, 2019 15:35:23 GMT -5
Walid Shoebat - Mark of the Beast
Chuck Missler talks about Mark of the Beast
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 13:18:43 GMT -5
Thank you for the videos,
very interesting.... it is possible BOTH answers are possible? Is God clever enough to ensure symbols apply to both Catholics and Islam (their right hand, and dirty worker for Catholics?)
If you study Walter Veith closely on his presentations, the inner secret religion of ROME is ISLAM, not so called Christianity... they follow naturalism, Allah, and have nothing to do with Christ and the ten commandments at all. Sure they have a public religion for the cattle, different to the inner black religion which is Islam. Have you ever wondered why both Catholic temples and Islam Temples are both side by side across Africa? Sometimes within 50 metres of each other? Both are on the same side.
I find the videos fascinating... One question to investigate though...
Counting numbers...is this Hebrew or witchcraft as both speakers say? Not sure...I will get back on this... Hebrew scribes do add letters in each page, up and down and tally them to get a perfect copy of their page... each page must add correctly... so they do use Hebrew letters to add totals, for translation copying process. What about names? Not sure? I will get back to you on this... But I am not surprised by this.
Is the Ottoman Empire in Scripture? yes
Re 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
There are whole chapters devoted to Islam scourge....
Is the crescent moon symbol in ROME churches? Yes, it you know where to look.
Who created Islam in the first place? ROME did. Why? To get Arabs to clean out Coptic Christians for one thing, across Africa . As you say these people were following Jesus in the light they knew. Technically ROME hates true followers of Christ. Pretenders are OK, but true followers of Sabbath are not tolerated.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 14, 2019 7:25:56 GMT -5
Seriously - you don't know why Islam always builds near a Church?
You need to study church history my friend - there is so much of the story you seem to miss You claim to be perfect (only TOV living in a TOV only world)- yet cannot see the hand of God in this world
Not only can you not see His hand in world history or current events - but your only responce to Luke 2:1-5 is that hundreds of historical documents must be wrong or fake - but when I ask you to prove it - you evade
Here you say Rome and Islam is connected at the hip - yet the Roman edit never happened and your Roman Canon is the only perfect thing worth knowing.
Which is it - Rome is an enemy to the faith - or Roman Christianity is perfect
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 13:26:03 GMT -5
Rome is an enemy to the faith as you say, as a system they have both pagan and Christian elements in the system, making the whole presentation false. Walter Veith shows that ROME has two religions, a public white side for the cattle that seems pious and a black secrete side for the Masons who follow Rome deeply, and this religion is mostly Islam. They are on the same side. Here you say Rome and Islam is connected at the hip - yet the Roman edit never happened and your Roman Canon is the only perfect thing worth knowing. You raise an interesting point. Is not GOD bigger than ROME, could GOD not preserve HIS own Scriptures? If I side with you, I find your views see GOD having created a world of TOV and RA, with mankind in mind. The "choshek" is related to "abyss" and Enoch says this is where nothing exists, and where angels who transgressed the commandments are kept, he terms them as "stars" and later as "Angels". This agrees with Ezekiel passage. The only other major difference we have is "Archon" whatever this term means? I don't find this term in Hebrew or Greek as a "proper noun" or some Beings, but more a title or function of Beings. The Bible is too big to have edited out doctrines and thus hide truth...How many churches follow the tsuwr and cela rock for instance? None do. But I have noticed this in Hebrew. Personally if you could put together an electronic version of your messages , all of them, one could test them thoroughly, but alas this confusion is at best fragments. Not much different to the confusion I have already in the KJV. We have to start somewhere. The reformers began a good work, coming out of ROME. I begin there. So not all the Scriptures they have are good, as you might claim, but its a start. The biggest test against ROME as they claim, is the Sabbath issue. Apart from Jews, only about 55 church denominations follow the Sabbath doctrine. This was one protest our protestants failed to notice which Catholics held against them. Martin Luther failed here too. But GOD judges you by the light you live up to. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 14, 2019 17:53:39 GMT -5
The only other major difference we have is "Archon" whatever this term means? I don't find this term in Hebrew or Greek as a "proper noun" or some Beings, but more a title or function of Beings. It is a Gnostic (and agl) colloquialismIn America – we have a groups of people we call ‘The Fed, the Fuzz, Yanks, Rebs, New Yorkers, Texans, Why don’t we just call them Americans? – Because each is a distinctive sub-group within the whole. Archon – to the First Christians means authorities or rulers – because these entities are the authorities and rulers in their own realm (darkness / hades). Princes are included of course – so are Kings, Queens, demons, satan, the devil, 'other gods', evil spirits, - the bane elohiym and their archon/human demigod nephilium – and the rephiem All opposition forces are called the MOB / Mafia / the Tong = archon (bad guys) Islam calls them Jinn Jews call them Shedim – or Lilu (sp?) Lillith is the Jewish ‘personification’ of (Gnostic term) the chaos in Hades Jewish Kabbalah is full of it and her Lillith is in the Dead Sea Scrolls – as the oppose and the opposition (both) In Gnostic texts (from the Nag Hammadi found in 1945 written by the same authors as the agl) Lillith = the Chief Archon herself (gender – female) – or one of her generals archons Lillith is often times an ‘other god’ of the Canaanite religions – She is a reality for the 99% (ahl non-Jews) She is also a reality for the 1% (ahl Jews) (Jews shorter to write than Israelite – especially when you can’t spell) The Reality of the Archon is 100% Ancient Jewish and Canaanite – it is not something new Just rediscovered in 1945 Nag Hammadi Archon and Dead Sea War Scroll 1947 Not Tanak – Testament of Solomon and Key of Solomon (I think I have said this clearly) I have not seen these text in Hebrew – go for it – the word your looking for is probably Shediem - You didn't watcth the Jewish video - the Rabbi talks about all of the following: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/demons-and-demonologySpecific DemonsForeign gods are called shedim (Deut. 32:17; Ps. 106:37; cf. I Cor. 10:20), rendered "demons" or "devils" in most translations. The word is related to Akkadian šêdu ("demon"; good or evil). SEʿIRIM ("hairy demons, satyrs") is also applied contemptuously to foreign deities (Lev. 17:7; II Chron. 11:15). These creatures haunt ruins, along with Lilith (Isa. 13:21; 34:14). LILITH (Isa. 34:14; ultimately from Sumerian lil, "air," not Heb. layl(ah), "night") was originally a succubus, believed to cohabit with mortals, but in the Arslan Tash incantation quoted above she is identified with the child-stealing demon, a character she retains in later folklore. The tradition that the name means "screech-owl" (in so many translations) reflects a very ancient association of birds, especially owls, with the demonic. MAVET (Mawet), the ordinary Hebrew word for death, is also the proper name of a Canaanite underworld god (Mot), the enemy of Baal in a Ugaritic epic. The proper name, not the common noun, should probably be understood in Isaiah 28:15, 18: "We have made a covenant with Death," and Jeremiah 9:20 [Eng. 9:21]: "For Death is come up into our windows" (cf. Hos. 13:14; Job 18:13, "the firstborn of Death"; 28:22). RESHEPH is another major god of the Canaanite religion who becomes a demonic figure in biblical literature. Resheph is known as the god of plague over much of the ancient Near East, in texts and artistic representations spanning more than a millennium from 1850 B.C.E. to 350 B.C.E. In Habakkuk 3:5, YHWH on the warpath is said to be preceded and followed by respectively Dever and Resheph. (This is similar to the picture of two divine attendants who escort major gods in ancient myths.) Just as some other names of deities are used as common nouns in biblical Hebrew (Dagon (dagon, "grain"); Ashtaroth (ashtarot, "increase [of the flock]"), etc.) so Reshef (reshef) has come to mean simply "plague" (Deut. 33:29; Ps. 78:48), and the fiery darts of the bow (Ps. 76:4 [Eng. 76:3]; Song 8:6), apparently from the common association of plagueand arrows. DEVER ("Pestilence") is the other demonic herald who marches with YHWH to battle (Hab. 3:5). Dever is also mentioned in Psalms 91:5–6: "Thou shalt not be afraid for the Terror (Paḥad) by night; Nor for the Arrow (Ḥeẓ) that flieth by day; Nor for the Pestilence (Dever) that walketh in the darkness; Nor for the Destruction (Ketev) that wasteth at noonday." Not only Dever but also the other words italicized above have been plausibly identified as names of demons. The "Arrow" is a familiar symbol in folklore, for disease or sudden pain, and Ketev (Qetev; cf. Deut. 32:24; Isa. 28:2; Hos. 13:14) is in this instance the personification of overpowering noonday heat, known also to Greek and Roman demonology. AZAZEL (ʿAzʾazel) occurs in the ritual for the Day of Atonement (Lev. 16:8, 10, 26). Aaron casts lots over two goats, and the one "for ʿAzʾazel" is presented alive before the Lord, and then released into the wilderness. The ancient Greek and Latin versions understood ʿAzʾazel as "goat that departs," hence "the scapegoat" of some English versions. Most of the rabbinic commentators and some moderns take Azazel as the name of the place to which the goat is driven. The great majority of moderns regard Azazel as the personal name of a demon thought to live in the wilderness. The vampire may be mentioned in Proverbs 30:15: "The alukah (ʿaluqah) hath two daughters, crying, 'Give, Give.'" Hebrew ʿaluqah may simply mean "leech," but since ʿaulaq occurs in Arabic literature as a name of a vampire, this fabulous creature and her two daughters may be referred to in this rather difficult passage. Demons in Intertestamental Literature, Including the Dead Sea Scrolls A great change had taken place in angelology and demonology, at least in certain circles within Judaism, by the last centuries B.C.E. In this period the religion, while safeguarding its monotheistic character in various ways, nevertheless took on many traits of a dualistic system in which God and the forces of good and truth were opposed in heaven and on earth by powerful forces of evil and deceit. This seems to have been under the influence of Persian religion, with its opposition of Ormuzd the good god and Ahriman (Angra Mainyu) the evil god, but at the same time Jewish dualism drew on older, native resources in constructing a more elaborate demonology. Ancient mythological themes, and figures from the Bible only potentially demonic, like Satan, were drawn in to fill out the enlarged conception of the role of evil spirits in the cosmos. It is characteristic of this period that the evil spirits are led by a prince, often called Belial but also Mastemah, Satan , or other names. The spirits of good and evil also struggled within the human soul, for in this period the role of demons is often conceived of as that of tempting men to evil rather than of inflicting physical harm. As a result, in many passages it is difficult to say whether "spirit" refers to a demon external to man or to a trait within the human soul. Belial (or Beliar, a corruption of the original form) is the most common name for the leader of the demons in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and occurs in other intertestamental literature and in II Corinthians 6:15. Belial (Heb. Beliyya'al) is a Hebrew compound word which etymologically means "no benefit" or "no thriving" and in liberal usage is often equivalent to "scoundrel." But already in the Bible "streams of Beliyya'al" means "streams of destruction" (II Sam. 22:5; Ps. 18:5). In the intertestamental literature Belial is "the spirit of perversion, the angel of darkness, the angel of destruction" and other spirits are subject to him. Mastemah, which as a common noun means approximately "enmity, opposition" in Hosea 9:7, 8 and in some passages in the Five Scrolls, is a demon "Prince Mastemah" in Jubilees (11:5, 11; 17:16; et al.), and perhaps also in the Damascus Document (16:5). Watchers (Aram. ʿirin) are a type of angel mentioned in Daniel 4:10, 14, 20. To this class the intertestamental literature assigns the angels who, according to Genesis 6:2, 4, cohabited with women before the flood and fathered the race of giants (Test. Patr., Reu. 5:6–7; Test. Patr., Napht. 3:5; cf. Genesis Apocryphon, ii 2:1, 16). Asmodeus (Tobit 3:8, 17) is a demon who had slain the first seven husbands of Sarah, who becomes the wife of Tobias son of Tobit.
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