Muhammad in Gospel & Quran

[Ali]

Hello!

This originally was composed to reply David's comments on "God's plan" (ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=islam&thread=17&page=1#68), but I decided to post it as a separate thread under the name Gospel and Quran.

Holy Spirit and Glorification of Christ

Thank you for your comments and verses David. I bring forth the following facts about Jesus Christ in Quran for you, you judge yourself who has glorified whom. According to Quranic text:

1- Jesus is THE ONLY prophet whom was given the Holy Spirit powers (5:110) !
2- Jesus is THE ONLY human being whom was called "near stationed to Allah" (3:45) !
3- Jesus is THE ONLY human being whom is called "The word of Allah" (3:45) !
4- Jesus is THE ONLY human being whom his creation is likened to creation of Adam directly by Allah (3:59) !
5- He is THE ONLY human being that his presence is the sign of last days (43:61) !
6- Jesus's mother (Mariam) is THE ONLY CHOSEN, THE ONLY PURIFIED WOMAN above all the women of the universe (3:42) !
7- Jesus's mother (Mariam) is called "the just woman" (5:75), "who guarded his virginity" (21:91) !
8- And the name (Jesus) is repeated 22 times, Mariam 34 times in Quran aside from many other indirect references to him and his mother and Jesus's miracles.

So be fair and sincere and put the above facts side by side the claim of Christianity that is calling Muhammad a false prophet!...an Antichrist!! Tell me who has glorified Jesus in practice?..The church or the text of Quran?

That's why when I come to John 16:12-15 my understanding is very different from you. I see God's plan very clear:

By the Star when it plunges, (1) your comrade is not astray, neither errs, (2) nor speaks he out of caprice. (3) This is naught but a revelation revealed, (4) taught him by one terrible in power, (5) very strong; he stood poised, (6) being on the higher horizon, (7) then drew near and suspended hung, (8) two bows' length away, or nearer, (9) then revealed to his servant that he revealed. (10) His heart lies not of what he saw; (11) what, will you dispute with him what he sees? (12) Indeed, he saw him another time (13) by the Lote-Tree of the Boundary (14) (Quran 53:1-14)

When Gospel reads "for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak," I clearly see that Gospel is giving a prophecy of a non-Israelite prophet who receives words of Holy Spirit. Why non-Israelite?? because, the Israelites received hundreds of prophets in the course of history, yet they killed many and rejected the rest, even they were close to do the same with Jesus Christ, if he was not equipped by Holy Spirit. God provided them with many chances, but eventually there weren't privileged to hold the kingdom of God:

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Matt 23:37-39 (KJV)

The kingdom would be transferred to another nation. Until people of Israelite repent and come back to God:

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Matt 21:43 (KJV)

So John 16:12-15 is talking about a prophet that will "glorify" Jesus while he also comes outside of Israel. That's what exactly Quran testifies:

Children of Israel, remember My blessing wherewith I blessed you, and fulfil My covenant and I shall fulfil your covenant; and have awe of Me. And believe in that I have sent down, confirming that which is with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And sell not My signs for a little price; and fear you Me.And do not confound the truth with vanity, and do not conceal the truth wittingly. (2:40-42)

Or when Quran asserts to Muhammad:

Say: 'The Holy Spirit sent it down from thy Lord in truth, and to confirm those who believe, and to be a guidance and good tidings to those who surrender (to Allah).' (16:102)

Are these just coincidence? Or there is a vivid reality in all above?

The name

I think we agree that when Jesus speaks it is not Jesus who talks, it is the tongue of holy spirit in Jesus's mouth that talks:

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. John 16:7 (KJV)

I think you know what Greek word is behind "the comforter"? > the word paraklētos and it means one who advocates or consolidates in the time of trouble. According to my Greek-Hebrew dictionary which is based on Septuagint, in Hebrew the root for consolidation in time of trouble is "nāḥam" which is derived from "Hh-m". Now put these simple facts side by side and look at the following verse of Quran carefully:

And when Jesus son of Mary said, 'Children of Israel, I am indeed the Messenger of God to you, confirming the Torah that is before me, and giving good tidings of a Messenger who shall come after me, whose name is Ahmad.' Then, when he brought them the clear signs, they said, 'This is a manifest sorcery.' (Quran 61:6)

Actually everyone who has heard about Islam once knows that the prophet who brought Quran was named "Muhammad"! But Quran in a surprising way, cites the title "Ahmad" so we think about the connection in-between Gospel and Quran. Now as you might have noticed the title "Ahmad" also comes from the exact same root of "Hh-m" and it has the same meaning in Semitic Arabic as "the comforter" (parakletos) has in John 16:7 in Greek!

Conclusion: John 16:7 and Quran 61:6 are referring to one connotation, one title, in two languages which is "Comforter" and "Ahmad". Is this just a coincidence? Or if we leave it to the church, they would say "is it not a conspiracy theory?!". Then how about this:

People of the Book, now there has come to you Our Messenger, making things clear to you, upon an interval between the Messengers lest you should say, 'There has not come to us any bearer of good tidings, neither any warner. Indeed, there has come to you a bearer of good tidings and a warner; God is powerful over everything. (5:19)

...see? Remember the word "Emmanuel" and its fulfillment in Gospel? Now you have "Parakletos" and in its fulfillment in Quran as "Ahmad" with the addition of referencing Holy Spirit that was drawn before.

Therefore, with all the evidences I presented on how Jesus is being "Glorified" and how "the prophecised name" appears both in Gospel and Quran in two different languages, I leave it to you to decide if Gospel and Quran has or has not confirmed one another? and if God's plan is clear or ambiguous by design.

Thank you.
Ali

[Dave]

So John 16:12-15 is talking about a prophet that will "glorify" Jesus while he also comes outside of Israel


Cool - lets do some Greek. John 16 is something I have experience with.

Joh 16:13 οταν δε ελθη εκεινος το πνευμα της αληθειας οδηγησει υμας Aεν εις τη πασαν Aαληθεια την παση αληθειαν ου γαρ λαλησει αφ εαυτου αλλ οσα Aακουσει αν ακουση λαλησει και τα ερχομενα αναγγελει υμιν

2 very important words that clearify the meaning of this passage in Greek.

Word #1 -- εκεινος --

#1565 ἐκεῖνος ekeinos {ek-i'-nos} from G1563; - n/a; pron (neuter gender)

—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) he, she it, etc.

—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From G1563; that one (or [neuter] thing); often intensified by the article prefixed:—he, it, the other (same), selfsame, that (same, very), X their, X them, they, this, those. See also G3778.

—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)
#1565. ε᾿κει῀νος
ekeinos; from 1563; that one (or neut. that thing), often intensified by the art. preceding:—

NASB - once*(3), one(4), other(1), these(1), this(2), those(35), those things(1), very(1), what(1)

Word #2-- πνευμα --

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance)
Key Word Studies (Translations-Definitions-Meanings)

» G4151 « πνεῦμα pneuma {pnyoo'-mah}
from G4154; n n (noun and neuter gender)

—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) a movement of air (a gentle blast
1a) of the wind, hence the wind itself
1b) breath of nostrils or mouth
2) the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
2a) the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels,
thinks, decides
2b) the soul
3) a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least
all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing,
desiring, deciding, and acting
3a) a life giving spirit
3b) a human soul that has left the body
3c) a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel
3c1) used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived
as inhabiting the bodies of men
3c2) the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest
angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ
4) of God
4a) God's power and agency distinguishable in thought from his
essence in itself considered
4a1) manifest in the course of affairs
4a2) by its influence upon the souls productive in the
theocratic body (the church) of all the higher spiritual
gifts and blessings
4a3) the third person of the trinity, the God the Holy Spirit
5) the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul
of any one
5a) the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.

—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy spirit:—ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)
• #4151.
• πνευ῀μα
• pneuma; from 4154; wind, spirit:—
• NASB - breath(3), Spirit(241), spirit(101), spirits(32), spiritual(1), wind(1), winds(1).

—NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries Copyright © 1981, 1998 by The Lockman Foundation — All rights reserved — www.lockman.org
AV - Spirit 111, Holy Ghost 89, Spirit (of God) 13,
Spirit (of the Lord) 5, (My) Spirit 3, Spirit (of truth) 3,
Spirit (of Christ) 2, human (spirit) 49, (evil) spirit 47,
spirit (general) 26, spirit 8, (Jesus' own) spirit 6,
(Jesus' own) ghost 2, misc 21; 385
Ghost
Matthew 1:18, 20; 3:11; 12:31, 32; 27:50; 28:19. Mark 1:8; 3:29; 12:36; 13:11. Luke 1:15, 35, 41, 67; 2:25, 26; 3:16, 22; 4:1; 12:10, 12. John 1:33; 7:39; 14:26; 19:30; 20:22. Acts 1:2, 5, 8, 16; 2:4, 33, 38; 4:8, 31; 5:3, 32; 6:3, 5; 7:51, 55; 8:15, 17, 18, 19; 9:17, 31; 10:38, 44, 45, 47; 11:15, 16, 24; 13:2, 4, 52; 15:8, 28; 16:6; 19:2, 2, 6; 20:23, 28; 21:11; 28:25. Romans 5:5; 9:1; 14:17; 15:13, 16. 1 Corinthians 2:13; 6:19; 12:3. 2 Corinthians 6:6; 13:14. 1 Thessalonians 1:5, 6. 2 Timothy 1:14. Titus 3:5. Hebrews 2:4; 3:7; 6:4; 9:8; 10:15. 1 Peter 1:12. 2 Peter 1:21. 1 John 5:7. Jude 1:20.
life
Revelation 13:15.
spirit
Matthew 3:16; 4:1; 5:3; 10:20; 12:18, 28, 43; 22:43; 26:41. Mark 1:10, 12, 23, 26; 2:8; 3:30; 5:2, 8; 7:25; 8:12; 9:17, 20, 25, 25; 14:38. Luke 1:17, 47, 80; 2:27, 40; 4:1, 14, 18, 33; 8:29, 55; 9:39, 42, 55; 10:21; 11:13, 24; 13:11; 23:46; 24:37, 39. John 1:32, 33; 3:5, 6, 6, 8, 34; 4:23, 24, 24; 6:63, 63; 7:39; 11:33; 13:21; 14:17; 15:26; 16:13. Acts 2:4, 17, 18; 5:9; 6:10; 7:59; 8:29, 39; 10:19; 11:12, 28; 16:7, 16, 18; 17:16; 18:5, 25; 19:15, 16, 21; 20:22; 21:4; 23:8, 9. Romans 1:4, 9; 2:29; 7:6; 8:1, 2, 4, 5, 5, 9, 9, 9, 10, 11, 11, 13, 14, 15, 15, 16, 16, 23, 26, 26, 27; 11:8; 12:11; 15:19, 30. 1 Corinthians 2:4, 10, 10, 11, 11, 12, 12, 14; 3:16; 4:21; 5:3, 4, 5; 6:11, 17, 20; 7:34, 40; 12:3, 4, 7, 8, 8, 9, 11, 13, 13; 14:2, 14, 15, 15, 16; 15:45; 16:18. 2 Corinthians 1:22; 2:13; 3:3, 6, 6, 8, 17, 17, 18; 4:13; 5:5; 7:1, 13; 11:4; 12:18. Galatians 3:2, 3, 5, 14; 4:6, 29; 5:5, 16, 17, 17, 18, 22, 25, 25; 6:1, 8, 8, 18. Ephesians 1:13, 17; 2:2, 18, 22; 3:5, 16; 4:3, 4, 23, 30; 5:9, 18; 6:17, 18. Philippians 1:19, 27; 2:1; 3:3. Colossians 1:8; 2:5. 1 Thessalonians 4:8; 5:19, 23. 2 Thessalonians 2:2, 8, 13. 1 Timothy 3:16; 4:1, 12. 2 Timothy 1:7; 4:22. Philemon 1:25. Hebrews 4:12; 9:14; 10:29. James 2:26; 4:5. 1 Peter 1:2, 11, 22; 3:4, 18; 4:6, 14. 1 John 3:24; 4:1, 2, 2, 3, 6, 6, 13; 5:6, 6, 8. Jude 1:19. Revelation 1:10; 2:7, 11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22; 4:2; 11:11; 14:13; 17:3; 18:2; 19:10; 21:10; 22:17.
spirits
Matthew 8:16; 10:1; 12:45. Mark 1:27; 3:11; 5:13; 6:7. Luke 4:36; 6:18; 7:21; 8:2; 10:20; 11:26. Acts 5:16; 8:7; 19:12, 13. 1 Corinthians 14:32. 1 Timothy 4:1. Hebrews 1:7, 14; 12:9, 23. 1 Peter 3:19. 1 John 4:1. Revelation 1:4; 3:1; 4:5; 5:6; 16:13, 14.
spiritual
1 Corinthians 14:12.
spiritually
Romans 8:6.
wind
John 3:8.
The following translates multiple Greek words:
Ghost
Acts 13:9.
Spirit
1 Corinthians 12:9.
spirits
1 Corinthians 12:10.

John 16:13 is specifically saying that when "the Spirit of truth" is not a man - it is spirit --- Holy Spirit

AND - When IT (εκεινος) comes (neuter word used as a pronoun for a neuter word) - what is IT? It is - πνευμα - spirit / ghost

The literal translation for this verse is - when the spirit of truth comes - It (the selfsame) will ...

So, why is it translated as He? First let me ask you this. When is a man ever described as He (capital H) rather than he (small H)? The answer is - whenever that specific He is referring to the Lord / Christ / or Holy Spirit. (which are the one and same - Trinity / Multidimensionalism - according to Dave)

Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you. How could Mohammad be "in you?"

1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he who is not of God heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. If the spirit of truth = Mohammad. Then is the spirit of error a man as well that once lived and died?


One last point - WE, you and I, do not have to agree. I appreciate you sharing with me - I learn with each exchange. How can either of us communicate - being from different language - culture - and scripture - until we understand where each of us are coming from.

[Ali]

David, thanks for comments. They drew my attention to something vital. But first:

1. Jesus the son of Mariam was only EQUIPPED with Holy Spirit. Jesus himself was not the Holy Spirit! He was the only prophet who received the all-time accompaniment of Holy Spirit during his prophet hood. Other prophets though did receive temporary accompaniment of Holy Spirit, only on the occasion of "revelation".

Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. Psalms 51:11 (KJV)

O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.Dan 4:9 (KJV)

2. The word on both John 14:17 and John 16:13 is "the spirit of truth" - not Holy Spirit !!! πνεῦμα ἀλήθεια. According to my Greek Hebrew dictionary this by Septuagint means Rua'h Amna, and remember amn in hebrew means firm not holy! So the phrase Rua'h Ha'Quddesh (Holy Spirit) is completely a different phrase. Now note the same phrase in Quran:

Truly it is the revelation of the Lord of all Being, brought down by the Spirit of firmness (Ruah al-amin) upon thy heart, that thou mayest be one of the warners, in a clear lucid tongue. Truly it is in the Scriptures of the ancients. Was it not a sign for them, that it is known to the scholars of the Children of Israel? (26:192-197)

Now whether or not Ruah Amna (amin) is Gabriel or is the same as Ruah Ha'Quddesh or are different is the matter of analyzing verses of Quran and Bible and needs another thread. (I'd love to open up a thread about this). However the point that matters here is the coming down of this/these spirits from YHWH Allah to all prophets even before Jesus Christ was born, according to both Bible (mentioned above) and Quran as followings:

We have revealed to thee as We revealed to Noah, and the Prophets after him, and (the same as) We revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, Jesus and Job, Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and We gave to David Psalms, (4:136)

Therefore my reply to your following statement:

Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you. How could Mohammad be "in you?"


is that....

The Spirit that was accompanying Jesus is the same spirit that sent down Quran to Muhammad. The spirit that made the tongue of Jesus come ONLINE, was the same spirit that sent down Quran to the heart of Muhammad. Is not this spirit capable of that?? Surely is.

My friend David: If Gospel is already in you (if you have RECITED it), then you'll be finding the message of Quran already in confirmation of what you have in yourself from the Gospel! Thus finding Muhammad's message within yourself too!

How is it that I have found every sentence of the 4 gospels in consistency with Quran, but the other side have recieved some information about evilness of Quranic revelation???...Again...Bang: Read Quran and avoid all those disinformation.

Truly this is the word of a noble Messenger, having power, with the Lord of the Throne secure, obeyed, moreover trusty (amin). Your companion is not possessed; he (Muhammad) truly saw him (the messenger) on the clear horizon; he is not niggardly of the Unseen. And it is not the word of an accursed Satan; where then are you going? It is naught but a Reminder unto all beings, for whosoever of you who would go straight; but will you shall not, unless God wills, the Lord of all Being. [/u] (81:19-29)

[Dillon]

The Spirit that was accompanying Jesus is the same spirit that sent down Quran to Muhammad. The spirit that made the tongue of Jesus come ONLINE, was the same spirit that sent down Quran to the heart of Muhammad. Is not this spirit capable of that?? Surely is.

My friend David: If Gospel is already in you (if you have RECITED it), then you'll be finding the message of Quran already in confirmation of what you have in yourself from the Gospel! Thus finding Muhammad's message within yourself too!

I know you asked Dave this, but I think I see an error in your understanding of the Gospel. Don't misunderstand, my point here is just to explain how I interpret the concept of - NOT Gospel within us, but rather Christ, or Holy Spirit, within us.

God was able to touch the hearts of the prophets by the Holy Spirit. Some were visions. Some were dreams, Some were whispers to their ears, and some were impressions to the heart through prayer and meditation.

Then Jesus walked among us as a flesh, but promised to send back the Holy Spirit to those that ask after his physical death. The Pentecost of Acts is just one story of the Holy Spirit making itself known to believers - there are as many stories as people who ask.

I personally do not use the term of being Born Again, for me being Born Again has more to do with waking up on the other side of death, but that is a different conversation.

So, the Gospel tells me: if I am sincere and I have belief and I ask for the Holy Spirit to fill me. The Spirit of God will teach and guide me from the inside. Christ within us.

Is this a one time event, there I did it, I'm done..... NO! The Holy Spirit will not reside within a sinner. What is a sinner? It is anything less than spiritual. The animal is corruption! The animal will never enter the kingdom of God. So, as soon as I turn away from the spiritual - I/we push the Holy Spirit right out again.

I heard a missionary once say, 'He loved working in 3rd world countries where the population didn't understand transistor radios. He could ask the crowd, could they believe that there was music playing all around them all the time, they just can't hear it. Of course the crowd would think him crazy, they don't hear any music. Then the missionary would pull out is pocket transistor radio and turn it on and music would come spilling out to everyone's amazement. His point was that the Holy Spirit was just like that music. First we need to turn Him on (belief) then tune Him in (asking for guidance, or turning yourself over to His will).

You ask couldn't the message of Mohammad be the same? NO. The message and the messenger are two entirely different things. Gospel is message. Christ and Holy Spirit is messenger.

Just my thoughts

D

[Richard]

Ali,

You said in a different post - There is one common plantation I'm seeing everywhere across the terrain of Christianity. Its clearly a church injection and that's a false teaching, which claims after Jesus everyone could receive Holy Spirit, everyone could be "inspired" and everyone could write inspired words! This is in clear contrast with Quran where Jesus is the last "navi" (or prophet) of Israelite, where prophet-hood is finished after Jesus ascension, where the 12 individuals are called "close followers", not apostles or messengers.

I can see so much logic in what you say, yet I need to quibble with a some of your background information. Jesus Christ promised to send the Holy Spirit after his death to believers and with / through the Holy Spirit "gifts": would be given.

What does that mean? Does it mean everyone could be "inspired" and everyone could write inspired words!
NO, and your statement, this statement, makes it apparent to me that you an I do not see the message the same; and I probably do not see this message as other Christians as well.

Let me say right up front - the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit. Is God! What could possibly be beyond his capabilities? Is there a limit to His power?

The Gospel NEVER promised that EVERYONE would be inspired or that EVERYONE would write anything. In the book of Acts, the gifts of the Holy Spirit were: healing, understanding, and speaking in tongues.

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church and descriptions outlined by St. Thomas Aquinas in the Summa Theologica, the seven gifts are as follows:

Wisdom: We see God at work in our lives and in the world. For the wise, the wonders of nature, historical events, and the ups and downs of life take on deeper meaning. We see God as our Father, appreciate the dignity of others, and find God in all things.

Understanding: In understanding, we comprehend how we need to live as followers of Christ. A person with understanding is not confused by the conflicting messages in our culture about the right way to live. The gift of understanding perfects a person's speculative reason in the apprehension of truth. It is the gift whereby self-evident principles are known

Counsel (Right Judgment): With the gift of counsel/right judgment, we know the difference between right and wrong, and we choose to do what is right. A person with right judgment avoids sin and lives out the values taught by Jesus.

Fortitude (Courage): With the gift of fortitude/courage, we overcome our fear and are willing to take risks as a follower of Jesus Christ. A person with courage is willing to stand up for what is right in the sight of God, even if it means accepting rejection, verbal abuse, or physical harm. The gift of courage allows people the firmness of mind that is required both in doing good and in enduring evil.

Knowledge: With the gift of knowledge, we understand the meaning of God. The gift of knowledge is more than an accumulation of facts.

Piety (Reverence): With the gift of reverence, sometimes called piety, we have a deep sense of respect for God and the Church. A person with reverence recognizes our total reliance on God and comes before God with humility, trust, and love. Piety is the gift whereby, at the Holy Spirit's instigation, we pay worship and duty to God as our Father

Fear of the Lord (Wonder and Awe): With the gift of fear of the Lord we are aware of the glory and majesty of God. A person with wonder and awe knows that God is the perfection of all we desire: perfect knowledge, perfect goodness, perfect power, and perfect love. This gift is described by Aquinas as a fear of separating oneself from God. He describes the gift as a "filial fear," like a child's fear of offending his father, rather than a "servile fear," that is, a fear of punishment. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom (Prov 1:7) because it puts our mindset in correct location with respect to God: we are the finite, dependent creatures, and He is the infinite, all-powerful Creator.

In Summa Theologica II.II, Thomas Aquinas asserts the following correspondences between the seven Capital Virtues and the seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit

The gift of wisdom corresponds to the virtue of charity.
The gifts of understanding and knowledge correspond to the virtue of faith.
The gift of counsel (right judgment) corresponds to the virtue of prudence.
The gift of fortitude corresponds to the virtue of courage.
The gift of fear of the Lord corresponds to the virtue of hope.
The gift of Reverence corresponds to the virtue of justice.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_gifts_of_the_Holy_Spirit

Do I believe that once a gift is given it is with the person forever? NO, The gift's of the Holy Spirit are given to serve a specific function at a specific time. Let me share some examples from my own life.

Dave worked with a pretty amazing lady named Angela, Pat knows her as well. She speaks broken Spanish - entry level - high school Spanish. She, her husband, and their youth group, Hope Lutheran Church, travel to Mexico twice a year to build houses for the poor (habitat for humanity projects). She tells a story of how once in Mexico, she engaged a lady for hours in Spanish winning her to the Lord. She can not help but break into tears when telling the story, because the level of Spanish used was way beyond even her current ability. She says, it was if someone else was speaking through her.

Years ago, (2003?) kids at a Denver high school brought guns into school and shot 31 people. A major Christian hit song has played on the radio ever since tell the story of one 13 yr old girl. With dead bodies lying at her feet, the gunman pointed the gun, point blank, at her face. When he saw that she was wearing a cross around her neck, he said to her, "Deny God and live!" She said NO, and he killed her.

Ever since, I, and many more like me, have wondered, 'could/would I/we do the same? Especially, when the disciples of Jesus denied Christ at the end to save their own hides. Even Peter!

The gift of the Holy Spirit dose not mean - poof, now you are equal to any prophet. It just means that in certain situations, help will be given (if asked for) to facilitate God's plan here on earth. Now the next question is: 'What is God's plan here on earth?" I am sure even you will agree, that during this age of man, God's plan isn't exactly TOTAL HAPPINESS FOR EVERYONE AND LASTING WORLD PEACE.

[Dave]

May 22, 2012 18:12:14 GMT -5 Dillon said:

I heard a missionary once say, 'He loved working in 3rd world countries where the population didn't understand transistor radios. He could ask the crowd, could they believe that there was music playing all around them all the time, they just can't hear it. Of course the crowd would think him crazy, they don't hear any music. Then the missionary would pull out is pocket transistor radio and turn it on and music would come spilling out to everyone's amazement. His point was that the Holy Spirit was just like that music. First we need to turn Him on (belief) then tune Him in (asking for guidance, or turning yourself over to His will).

Do you have this in hardcopy somewhere D? I am sure there is more to the missionary's comments than just this. Sounds like a good story. Perhaps you could email me a copy or point me in the right direction.

[Stella]

Titus 3:4-7

New International Version (NIV)

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.

[Ali]

Hello Stella! Thank you for your comment.

I do believe that Jesus the son of Mary is the only prophet accompanied by Holy Spirit powers. I knew it in fact before starting to read Gospel.... through Quran. But the point that matters here is the prophetical passage about the coming of Rua'h Amna: the spirit of truth in Gospel.

We know that such spirit (Rua'h Amna) needs to choose a flesh to talk to all of us. In other words, the new coming of the spirit of truth, is a prophecy about "another prophet" not Jesus himself. Such spirit is exactly referenced in Quran as the spirit of which revealed the revelations through Muhammad.

Again, I am not saying that Muhammad is that Spirit, I am not saying that Jesus Christ was not equipped with Holy Spirit powers. I presented my case according to both Quran and Gospel that the spirit of truth which brought Quran, is the spirit that has brought prophecies about future and past and present. Moreover it is the same spirit that has glorified Jesus Christ through the tongue of Muhammad, as I presented the evidence.

Thank you.