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Post by Alan McDougall on Jun 10, 2015 8:17:45 GMT -5
What was it about Jesus Christ that made the difference? Was he merely a great man, or something more?
When the Disciples asked Jesus, Show us God that we might believe! Jesus replied by saying to them 'Have I been with you still so long and yet you do not know me'?
Have you ever met a man who is the centre of attention wherever he goes? Some mysterious, indefinable characteristic sets him apart from all other men. Well, that’s the way it was two thousand years ago with Jesus Christ. But it wasn’t merely Jesus’ personality that captivated those who heard him. Those who witnessed his words and life tell us that something about Jesus of Nazareth was different from all other men.
Jesus’ only credentials were himself. He never wrote a book, commanded an army, held a political office, or owned property. He mostly travelled within a hundred miles of his village, attracting crowds who were amazed at his provocative words and stunning deeds.
Yet Jesus’ greatness was obvious to all those who saw and heard him. And while most great people eventually fade into history books, Jesus is still the focus of thousands of books and unparalleled media controversy. And much of that controversy revolves around the radical claims Jesus made about himself—claims that astounded both his followers and his adversaries.
It was primarily Jesus’ unique claims that caused him to be viewed as a threat by both the Roman authorities and the Jewish hierarchy. Although he was an outsider with no credentials or political powerbase, within three years, Jesus changed the world for the next 20 centuries. Other moral and religious leaders have left an impact—but nothing like that unknown carpenter’s son from Nazareth.
These questions get to the heart of who Jesus really was. Some believe he was merely a great moral teacher; others believe he was simply the leader of the world’s greatest religion. But many believe something far more. Christians believe that God has actually visited us in human form. And they believe the evidence backs that up.
After carefully examining Jesus’ life and words, former Cambridge professor and sceptic, C. S. Lewis, came to a startling conclusion about him that altered the course of his life. So who is the real Jesus? Many will answer that Jesus was a great moral teacher. As we take a deeper look at the world’s most controversial person, we begin by asking: could Jesus have been merely a great moral teacher?
He existed before creation began, for it was through him that everything was made, whether spiritual or material, seen or unseen….In fact, every single thing was created through and for him….Life from nothing began through him, and life from the dead began through him, and he is therefore justly called the Lord of all.” Colossians 1:15-17
Jesus and Almighty God are One in the Great I AM
God Bless
In Christ Jesus
Alan/Joe
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Post by Dave on Jun 11, 2015 19:36:51 GMT -5
To those who accept the personage of Jesus Christ - because of the power of belief or the power of faith - I applaud them
To those who believe in Jesus Christ because they felt/feel the spirit I envy
My target audience has usually been science based employees - it is all about the preponderance of the evidence - what does the data tell us --
Everything you say above = correct- the Gospel is authentic
The Koran calls Jesus the Son of God - actually it asks the question
Jesus is in Roman history text
Jesus was the cause of the social unrest in Israel that forced Rome to fulfill prophesy 70AD
The calendar is set on Jesus
The very conflict in the News today is Muslim against Christian over Israel
Science
Eisnsein said - Time and gravity are variable dependent upon perspective
1 Pet 8:8 a thousand yrs is as onto ad day - to the Lord
I think Einstein will stand forever - his theory is scriptural
WEDT and FD-WEDT are scriptural
Science is not non-theological just because it is science
Statistics
If Jesus Christ just fulfilled one prophesy that would be something, but in fact, He fulfilled over 300 to 400 various prophesies, dependent upon the source. What are the odds of that happening?
A Study Conducted at MIT, by Jerry Ballard of Fisher's Of Men Group, tried to calculate this very question. He wrote, “Many of the prophecies concerning the Messiah were totally beyond human control: Birth: Place, time, manner of Death: People's reactions, piercing of side, burial Resurrection: Where did His body go? By using the modern science of probability in reference to just eight of these prophecies, the chance that any man might have lived to fulfill all eight prophecies is one in 100 trillion!”7
One in a hundred trillion
1:100,000,000,000,000
or – 1 x 1011
“The chance of any one man's fulfilling all of 48 prophecies is one in ten to the 157th power.”
1:10157 is such a huge and unimaginable number.
What could possibly be the odds of Jesus Christ fulfilling 300 or even 400 prophesies?
Clairvoyants, such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce, mediums, spiritists, and others, make remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accurate, but never totally accurate.
So how does scripture help us determine who is speaking for God or not? According Deuteronomy 18:21-22: God's prophets are distinct from Satan's spokesmen, because they are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error! The question now becomes an exercise in logic. If Jesus Christ validates so much prophecy and therefore so many prophets, do not these same prophecies validate Jesus Christ?7
Multidimensionality
Only the Judeo-Christian Trinity - fits this model
Which make Christ equivalent with the Father, but not the Father
Just as the Holy Spirit is equivalent with the Father it is not the Father
Just as the Holy Spirit equivalent with Christ - it is not Christ
Only in the vocabulary of string theory does such a multidimensional concept valid
it fits my theology
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Post by Alan McDougall on Jun 12, 2015 8:57:58 GMT -5
Dave you are wrong on the Koran calling Jesus as the son of God. This is refuted in no uncertain terms in the Koran with a verse clearly stating that GOD HAS NO SON
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Post by Richard on Jun 12, 2015 9:34:12 GMT -5
The Koran calls Jesus the Son of God - actually it asks the questionI am aware of two different Koran versus that say something like - 'they say Jesus is the son' How interesting is it that another religion goes so far out of it way to deliberately disqualify Jesus Christ To this day - Islam continues to disqualify Christ The conflict is suppose to be Islam against Israel over land but the war is against Christians Validation? |
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Post by Dave on Jun 13, 2015 9:54:16 GMT -5
Some of my favorite Koran verses about Jesus Christ
3:55 Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
9:30 The Jews say, 'Ezra is the Son of God'; the Christians say, 'The Messiah is the Son of God.' That is the utterance of their mouths, …
19:19-21 He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son. 20 She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" 21 He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us': It is a matter (so) decreed."
33:7 And remember We took from the prophets their covenant: As (We did) from thee: from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary: We took from them a solemn covenant:
43:63 When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me.
My Point –
When you read the Book of Mormon – you hear absolutely nothing about a non-Mormon god
When you read the Hindi Vedas – you hear nothing about a non-Hindi god
When you read the ahl – you are told about ‘other gods’ but they are easily vanquished by YHWY
When you read the agl – you are told about the spiritual warfare, false prophets, posers, deceivers
When you read the Koran – you learn more about Jesus Christ
Why would any religion dealing with god B include reference to a God A?
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Post by Larry on Jun 14, 2015 12:07:11 GMT -5
Why would any religion dealing with god B include reference to a God A?
I have never read the Koran or even have a desire to, but I never stopped to consider why it would discuss Jesus in any way. It would be like Paul talking about Zeus or something. Of course Paul would never write about Greek or Roman Gods. Only the Koran as a 'bible' includes what they call a false god.
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Post by Richard on Jun 20, 2015 15:37:03 GMT -5
Israel says that Jesus was not the Messiah because He did not fulfill all of the prophesies.
It took me years to figure out what they were talking about, and when I did, I saw my own theology differently. Jesus did not bring in a 1000 years of peace.
Christianity actually makes this into another gap theory
The fall happened between Gen 1 and Gen 2 (Gap Theory)
Now Jesus has come, but we have to wait for the kingdom.
Another problem Israel has with Christians is that we are seen as not praying to the FATHER.
In Judaism all prayers go to the FATHER. To pray to anything else is forbidden.
Christians use the Trinity to justify that when their prayers are said to Jesus, we actually mean God
Jesus never told us to pray to Him. Jesus told us to pray: OUR FATHER, but to ask in Christ's name
Does anyone have an issue with this?
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Post by Dave on Jun 21, 2015 10:52:26 GMT -5
Praying to the Father I have dealt with this myself. As a good Christian boy I decided to seriously study scripture. I had this crazy idea of who better to speak about the Old Testament than "Ask a Rabbi" It was hard to find a Rabbi that would talk to me as a Christian and when I did they often just scoffed at my silly questions. Once I broke down a barrier and finally got someone to speak to me this was one of the first things they had to criticize. The first commandment says - have no other God before me!- because He is a jealous God Then Christians go around praying to Jesus When Jesus taught us to pray - Mat 6 - He began "Our Father" Jesus did say we should/could ask for things in His name One Christian commentary titled: What does it mean to pray in Jesus' name? concludes: "Praying in Jesus' name means the same thing as praying according to the will of God, “This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him” " www.gotquestions.org/pray-Jesus-name.htmland they use this verse to support their conclusion: 1 John 5:14 And this is the boldness which we have toward him, that, if we ask anything according to his will, he heareth us: In my opinion this is a major dilution of scripture Roman Trinity makes all 3 into 1 - Jesus = God, God = Jesus, God = Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit = God, and Jesus = Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit = Jesus With this concept of the Trinity I guess it doesn't matter who you pray to because if you are praying to Jesus you are praying to God - therefore - it don't matter In Gnostic cosmology this Roman concept of the Trinity is incorrect 1st dimension - singularity - Father 2nd dimension - the matrix / ether - omnipresent - Spirit, Holy Spirit, Comforter 3rd dimension - Christ - corporeal reality - physicacality It is true that the 1st dimension is a full part of dimension 2 and 3 but it is not true that dimension 2 and 3 are a part of 1 The Father Creator is superior Jesus also said, John 15:16 (ASV) Ye did not choose me, but I chose you, and appointed you, that ye should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should abide: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. Prayers are always to the Father - just my opinion |
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Post by Larry on Jun 26, 2015 7:42:21 GMT -5
I attended a Church of Christ long ago. They made a point of always praying to Jesus.
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Post by Alan McDougall on Jun 27, 2015 5:55:29 GMT -5
Jesus made it very clear that you must pray directly to the "Father or Almighty God" in the name of Jesus. |
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