Satan’s Seed

[Dave]

Satan’s seed

Early on in scripture a conflict is established between Eve’s seed and Satan’s seed. Christendom totally ignores half of the participants of this conflict. Satan’s seed I specifically spoke to in Genesis 3:15 after Adam and Eve eat of the forbidden fruit.

Gen 3:15 (KJV) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Gen 3:15 (ASV) and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Gen 3:15 (YLT)and enmity I put between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he doth bruise thee--the head, and thou dost bruise him--the heel.'

Most people want to convince me that Satan’s seed is never again referred to within scripture. Even though I continue to suggest that these creatures have a place in Genesis 6:1-4. As well as, after the flood as suggested by Genesis 6:4 (ASV) The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, - and I want to place them in the Sinai wilderness with Moses, in the Promised Land opposing Israel from Joshua through King David.

I also see these forces on earth in opposition to humanity during the end-time struggle as stated in Matthew 24:37 (ASV) And as were the days of Noah, so shall be the coming of the Son of man.

Just recently I discovered this passage in the Book of Daniel.

Dan 2:43 (KJV) And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Dan 2:43 (ASV) And whereas thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men; but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron doth not mingle with clay.

Dan 2:43 (YLT) Because thou hast seen iron mixed with miry clay, they are mixing themselves with the seed of men: and they are not adhering one with another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Every Bible scholar out there agrees this is a prophetic end-time passage. The iron mixed with the mire clay representative of the feet of the prophecy projected by Daniel’s dream, or the kingdom in power during the end-times. The Iron being the authoritative rule of established government, while the mire clay representative of the people being involved in the voice of the kingdom in some form of democratic input.

Notice the “THEY” from this passage in Daniel.
Who are the “THEY”?
THEY mingle themselves with the seed of men.

Interesting point here. If they mingle with the seed of men, then they cannot be the seed of men, they must be of a different seed.

The example I was given was this: Mingling together suggest dissimilarity. No one says, sugar mingles with sugar, nor does salt mingle with salt. However, being dissimilar, sugar and salt can mingle.

If this analogy holds true than Satan’s seed becomes a major component of the mire clay and may already be here on earth in a large enough way to constitute a political movement.

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[Virginia]

You just said what I have been saying. The aliens mixed their seed with that of ancient women and men. They created us. I once asked you if you ever found blood that was not of human origin and you said no. Well that is because we are hi-breds. Mix of them and ancient man. Just what the Bible says.

You will call humans God's creation, but I ask which God---whose God

[Dave]

Satan's seed of Genesis 3:15 are established as an apposing force to Eve's seed. If we are all of Satan's seed - then in your opinion who is Eve's seed?

Genesis 6:1-4 the "Sons of God" came to earth and created hybrids - agreed. But these hybrids were of monstrous form - mutants, giants. KJV calls them - men of renown and heroes of old.. When translated from the Latin Septuagint they are called Giants.

I see this group as the trolls, ogars, and giants of Middle earth history.
This group is also the Giants of the Amalekites - I Sam 15
This group also fathered the giant that King David slew as a boy

This group is why God sent the flood to eliminate this blood line from the face of the earth:
Before the flood Large % of the population had alien DNA and only a very small % had pure human DNA.

Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented Jehovah that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And Jehovah said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the ground; both man, and beast, and creeping things, and birds of the heavens; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of Jehovah. 9 These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, and perfect in his generations: Noah walked with God.

Most everyone agrees that Noah was chosen to survive the flood because he was: 'perfect in his generations' - meaning that his DNA had not been corrupted.

So, after the flood the gene pool started over without this alien DNA - and the earth was changed into an environment that was no longer alien friendly. Yes they visit us. yes they manipulate us. But they can no longer stay here as full time residents.

Yes, they still do make alien / human hybrids so they have a presence here. But today it is a small % of us that is corrupt at the genetic level - large enough to form a global political constituent - while most of the % of us remain of pure human DNA.

Notice the landscape of the political arena - In America we are suppose to be a Christian Nation. In 2000 80% claimed to be Christian; yet, it is that small % of us that has taken prayer out of the schools, and has taken the 10 Commandments out of our courtrooms.

If we are all alien hybrids - they we are the THEY of Daniel 2:43 - then whose seed is it that we are mingling with? It cannot be 100% either way. - Scripture tells us that it is not 100% either way, but after the flood it is Eve's seed in large numbers and Satan's seed the proverbial "thorn in our sides" - or the proverbial "pain in our ass."

[Dave]

Interesting how messages come when you need them. The service of the day included the following:

"Satan has persuaded our frivolous and shallow generation that he no longer exist, but as a phantom of the past and just a popular joke."

What is more harmful to the Christian faith:

Satan is real, his lieutenants are real, the war against us is real,
or
Satan is not real, demons have no power, it is all just some old religious fairy tail?

[Virginia]

Why is it important for God to have our world polluted by Satan. Why on day one "Being God and having enough power to create the world" did he let the fallen angles or Satan exist. Doesn't he have enough power to just zap them out. How much more wonderful would Earth be without evil. Maybe it would be the "GARDEN OF EDEN" once again for the entire world.

Every time there is a travesty- people say "Where was God to allow this". You ask "Why are people turning away from God". Well, here is the answer.

[Dave]

This is such a common question from people that have been schooled by the "Feel Good" version of Christendom. This is part of the product of the false message. Just check in and sign up - then everything will be OK.

As a Gnostic Christian, I don't really see it this way at all - forget the term Christian for a moment - but consider the idea of the human animal maturing spiritually into something different that will continue into the next age of existence, the next plane of existence, the afterlife.

Counter to the "Feel Good" concept Christ said:

Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

"Feel Good" Christendom teaches this part of the message, but when was the last time you heard a sermon on the rest of Christ's statement:

Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Paul says in Ephesians:

Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; 19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

Gnostic literature puts it this way:

He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.

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The human animal herd

I often visualize humanity through the metaphor of a rancher and his herd.

Does the rancher know, love, and care about each and every animal in the herd? – YES!
Can the rancher interact with any one or more of his animals – YES!
Does the rancher only have the animal’s personal health, wealth, and wellbeing at heart – YES!
Yet – some of the herd are lost to predators, a few step into holes and break their legs, some are injured in fights, wounded and scared, some die from disease – is this all a predicted scheduled part of the rancher grand plan for the herd and ranch – YES!
However, some animals stand out – get noticed – become recognized and eventually those are the animals that are saved from the eventual slaughter.

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From this - when people ask me things like: "What was God's purpose in killing those children in that car accident?" My answer is - maybe it was just an accident.

This is my problem with the local Church building and the club members that attend. People check in, give their money, and feel safe!

Surprise, I don't think there is anything safe about it. It is a contest! We are required to rise above the herd. AND scripture tells me that the closer we get, the harder the war against us is waged. If you are totally lost and wrapped up in the sin of the world, why would Satan waste his time on you. But, if really are trying to turn your life over to Christ, Bang - your personal struggle become harder! Look at the life of Job, look at the life of any of the apostles. Look at Christian missionaries in Iran and China.

Perfect question - thanks for asking Obviously it is something I needed to hear today!

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[Virginia]

OMG Send a sword. Fight parent , husband, friend, Mother-in-law. I do not come for peace. What the heck is he saying. We should believe in him.

Apparently he is not there to protect us--WE ARE ON OUR OWN. Therefore, do not believe in him at all because even thou the church says over and over and over that God is a loving God. He brings forward a sword and not peace. Does this make sense. Not to me.

[Dave]

Several real world examples:

One of my sisters was a heathen and lost to the lust of the world. Her daughter spent every waking moment next door with the Christian neighbors. (even sleeping there regularly) While my sister spent her life screwing anyone she met, damnig all her friends until she was old and alone, her daughter became a soldier for Christ, went to college, finished her degree, married another strong Christian, and became strong members in their Church. When my sister was no longer able to care for herself, it was her Christian daughter that cared for her and as the story goes, brought my sister to the Lord on her death bed.

The point - God first - mommy second

You know I come from a strong Amish/Mennonite background. In the Amish faith if a parent, a son or daughter, a sibling, or any family regardless of how close, joined the Church and become baptized, then fell away - the family will shun that person -- zero contact!

The point - God first - family second

In the Roman Coliseum, the Romans would drag your children in front of you, or drag you in front of your children - to spar their lives all you had to do is renounce Christ.

The point - God first - family second

Joan of Arc was burnt at the stake, to save her life all she was asked to do was recount that God gave her a vision, and to sign a document saying that all she did was in the name of the Devil.

The point - God first - society second

Saint Vincent of Saragossa was offered his life in exchange for his consigning Scripture to the fire. Vincent refused and let himself be executed instead.

The point God first - flesh second

In the Book of Acts, Stephan was told to stop preaching the Gospel, he didn't stop and was stoned to death.

The point God first - flesh second

Look at the Coptic Christians in Egypt right now. If they deny Christ and all convert to Islam they will not be killed.

The point - God first - life second

Look at the Christian ministers in the Ukraine, Iran, or China. All they have to do is stop preaching the Gospel and they will not be harassed, imprisoned, or killed.

The point - God first - life second

If I am a Christian and my employer asks me to screw the customers or cook the books - I will quit my job

The point - God first - life second

CONVICTIONS such as these in a world controlled by lust and greed will eventually place father against son, or son against father. Do we compromise our convictions to blend into the world.

If you see a rich man drop a dollar - do you run over and say here is your dollar - or do you stand back and after he has walked away then go over and pick the dollar up for yourself justifying your action as - he can afford it - I am not stealing he lost it.

If you steal a penny - your are still a thief
If you tell only the smallest lie - you are still a liar

If you knew your child was the guilty person - would you turn him over, or hide them to keep them safe.

It is all about conviction. If you have conviction then it is with you 24/7, if you are able to compromise your convictions to fit the situation - then you are only deluding yourself that you have convictions.

My generation would say - it is easy to talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Let me tell you the story of my friend Nick. He lived in the Ukraine when the communist took over. In 1989 he was working in a machine shop, when a group of soldiers came in trucks. The boss said all the Christians must form a line in the parking lot. The soldiers pointed their guns at them and gave them one last chance to change their minds. Then ordered all the true Christians into the truck. Nick says he watched from the back of the truck as the remaining 10/15 guys (the ones that changed their minds) were gunned down.Nick spent the next 4yrs in prison and then came to America.

I guess even the communist have more respect for men of true conviction than wishy washy ones.

[Dave]

WE ARE ON OUR OWN.

We are on our own. This is the consequence of free will. No one requires you to believe. You can live any life you choose. It is up to us to choose to rise above ourselves and aspire to something higher.

Apparently he is not there to protect us--

He will protect those that ask him. I don't mean the people that say, save me God and I'll change my life, but then when everything works out, they forget their promise.

Even thou the church says over and over and over that God is a loving God.

This is the "Feel Good" message I keep screaming about. People buy into this. Join the cub and pay their dues, but when life continues to be hard they fall away because they were given a false hope of everything being nice. This is a false message. Over and over I here people invoke Romans 8:28 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,..." Although, they forget it is for God's good not ours - and God's plan marches us forward to Armageddon and Tribulation.

He brings forward a sword and not peace.

It is this sword that cuts us because we cannot live as we want to. We can't all be the richest guy with the biggest car. We can't enjoy sex movies and the smut Hollywood churns out daily. We cannot go around and kill anyone who might get in our way. We cannot live a life of ME! ME! ME! and this interrupts our peaceful little corner.

Does this make sense to continue to compare the Word of scripture against the teachings of the local compromise religious club that will love you and care for you as long as you keep putting money into their collection plate. Maybe, if you play nice enough in church they will invite you along on the church bus ride to Las Vegas.

[steve]

Aug 24, 2013 12:54:44 GMT -5 Virginia said:

Apparently he is not there to protect us--WE ARE ON OUR OWN.

Not all things are understood by all people. It is frustrating to some people to not have suitable answers... and throwing stones at God is a common reaction.

God has given us all a challenge that is befitting for our true nature. We are all made in God's Image, and as such, we are all capable of so much more than what we strive. That is because we are so easily tempted by the mundane and superficial. This temptation is easily overcome with God's help, which is what He has asked us to do... to call on Him and trust in Him. We can overcome anything with God's help.

Humans are designed to physically survive, and they are also designed to emulate God. This contrast of competing interests is exactly what our challenge is. Why would God save us from this when His purpose is to challenge us by this? For what reason? We are given an opportunity to identify our true spiritual nature (God's Image) and to live in that realization. God will reward us for doing so in the next life. This life is only to determine the measure of our reward. In the new life, the body we receive is our reward. God has not given us immortality in this life until we prove that we are worthy and respectful of such a gift. We are only half-way through the creation-event. We are only half created. Currently, we are the grub before we are changed into the butterfly (or moth). God has granted that we will understand these things only if we walk in His Image. Until then, our lives are simply a confusing mess. You must obey God to have the spiritual knowledge given to you.

God Bless
Steve

[Dillon]

When my son died.
Later when my wife left.

I surly did feel that I was on my own. All those years of going to church didn't protect a damn thing.

[steve]

Aug 28, 2013 17:30:41 GMT -5 Dillon said:

When my son died.
Later when my wife left.

I surly did feel that I was on my own. All those years of going to church didn't protect a damn thing.

"My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46)

Pain is part of our human journey. We all die eventually. We all grieve. The process is what God has approved so that we might seek after the way the truth the life. I know this simple band-aid is not very encouraging, but it is part of the process that everyone experiences - even Jesus.

I don't believe our suffering in this life is to be considered in comparison to the life to come. In our spirit we already know this, but although our spirit is willing, our flesh is weak. Our flesh tries to preserve and survive at all costs. God is considering the outcome for our spirit, not so much the temporary condition of our flesh. It is hard for us to appreciate this, because we want so much, and we need so badly. It is this struggle between spirit and flesh that makes us question God. But it is also what allows us to seek and find God. Our paths are not easy.

God Bless
Steve

[Stella]

Are we on our own?

I think some of us choose to on our own. God has a plan for each of us. Saying this, raises the question of predestination. If God has a plan for you, He may protect you and keep you safe for some purpose in the future.