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Post by loretta on Jun 5, 2013 22:39:12 GMT -5
Have you heard of Enuma Elish? In the book I am reading, he interprets this literature in terms of the creation story..very interesting.
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2013 10:51:56 GMT -5
Enuma Elish Babylonian Creation Myth (summary) The Babylonian creation myth is recounted in the "Epic of Creation" also known as the Enûma Elish. The Mesopotamian "Epic of Creation" dates to the late second millennium B.C.E. In the poem, the god Marduk (or Assur in the Assyrian versions of he poem) is created to defend the divine beings from an attack plotted by the ocean goddess Tiamat. The hero Marduk offers to save the gods only if he is appointed their supreme unquestioned leader and is allowed to remain so even after the threat passes. The gods agree to Marduk's terms. Marduk challenges Tiamat to combat and destroys her. He then rips her corpse into two halves with which he fashions the earth and the skies. Marduk then creates the calendar, organizes the planets, stars and regulates the moon, sun, and weather. The gods pledge their allegiance to Marduk and he creates Babylon as the terrestrial counterpart to the realm of the gods. Marduk then destroys Tiamat's husband, Kingu using his blood to create humankind so that they can do the work of the gods. (Sources, Foster, B.R., From Distant Days : Myths, Tales, and Poetry of Ancient Mesopotamia. 1995, Bethesda, Md.: CDL Press. vi, 438 p., Bottéro, J., Religion in Ancient Mesopotamia. 2004, Chicago: University of Chicago Press. , 246 p., Jacobsen, T., The Treasures of Darkness : A History of Mesopotamian Religion. 1976, New Haven: Yale University Press. 273.) F From: www.reformationmedia.org/schadestudy09/session1/BabylonianCreationStory.pdfAs an investigator, who is interested in everything, I have look at the god Marduk especially in terms of Zachariah Sitchen’s Anunnaki. I have probably read the Enuma Elish over, but have never spent any in-depth time with it. Is there any truth in it – I am sure there is. The real question, for me, speaks to the source of authorship. Was there a god named Marduk, I believe there was. Is this just the Anunnaki story translated by Zachariah Sitchen? – Well, in part. Since Sitchen introduced the world to the Anunnaki, in the early 60s, at least 65 ancient cuneiform dictionaries have come to light from many different sources. All of them agree with one another and all of them differ with much of the translations done by Sitchen. Yet, there is still much evidence there to suggest that alien beings came to Sumar and established themselves as gods over the people. Sitchin even once made the correlation that his Anunnaki were the Nephilim of Genesis 6:1-4. So, who were Marduk and the Anunnaki? Or for that matter, who were the Egyptian alien gods Osirus and Horus, or even the Vedic gods if India? For me these are all the Archon. The absolute biggest evidence of this is the fact that the Archon and their Nephilim were prediluvian visitors to earth, while all the space alien religions mentioned here are post flood phenomena. The flood ejected these life forms from the surface of the earth. The earth changed into an environment unwelcoming to the Archon and Watchers – therefore these life forms return to the surface of the earth in hybrid form to continue to plague man with false versions of salvation. So, is there any truth in the Sumarian / Babylonian stories? – Yes. The authors of these texts knew the truth, were a part of the truth, but are merely a product of creation – not the creator – although they pretend to be. To explain my position on this matter requires a book to present the evidence sufficiently. I am currently 80% into my second book – Our Multidimensional Reality and the Archon, which hopefully does the presentation justice. The outline goes like this: Attachments:
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2013 12:22:25 GMT -5
MultidimensionalityThere can only be one truth, only one theory of everything. If one religion says it happened one way, while another religions claims it happed differently, and science theory agrees with neither of them than someone has to be wrong somewhere. The truth of scripture tells us the non-thing aspect of how we got here and why. Science investigates only the thing that is here. For me, it is exciting that finally science has begun to agree with some scripture. Einstein tells us that time is not linear and so does the Apostle Peter (2 peter 3:8) Cutting edge physics has given the world the hadron Super Collider. Through it and Super String Theory we now accept 10 dimensions of space and one of time without question. It is Judeo-Christian scripture that finds correlation with these scientific principles. The Book of Enoch, The Jewish Zohar, The Jewish Murkab, The Jewish Kabala, The Jewish Mid Rash, and the Apocrypha of Paul all speak to 10 heavens. Isaiah tells us that the universe is expanding. Even the Big-Bang Theory finds correlation with Genesis 1:1. Over and over, I have explained my position on the Holy Trinity. Regardless of how one envisions our multidimensional reality, they cannot deny the reality of that Omniscience 1st dimensional singularity that all other dimensions are built upon. Then comes that Omnipresent 2nd dimension, and finally that Omnipotent 3rd dimensional reality that we call home. As a multideminsonalist the scripture penned in John 1:1-4 address the very reality of multidimensionism, the Holy Trinity, and the established – without any doubt – that Christ is God and that Christ is that Omnipotent creation. My science validates my theology, as well as, my theology validates my science – therefore both must point to that one theory of everything – that one truth of it all.Sacred GeometrySacred Geometry cannot be denied. These patterns are ubiquitous throughout creation. Many mystical and magical traditions are built upon this sacred geometry. The math of sacred geometry is based upon Fibonacci Numbers and the equilateral tetrahedral pyramid. In fact, throughout all sacred geometry religions the essence and power of the human body is represented as a double equilateral tetrahedral pyramid. Attachments:
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2013 12:33:23 GMT -5
Sacred Geometry cannot be denied. In fact, throughout all sacred geometry religions the essence and power of the human body is represented as a double equilateral tetrahedral pyramid. A two dimensional representation of this double equilateral tetrahedral pyramid gives us the Star of David. One of the oldest religious symbols on planet earth – if not the oldest symbol. Attachments:
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2013 12:40:57 GMT -5
Sacred Geometry cannot be denied. In fact, throughout all sacred geometry religions the essence and power of the human body is represented as a double equilateral tetrahedral pyramid. A two dimensional representation of this double equilateral tetrahedral pyramid gives us the Star of David. One of the oldest religious symbols on planet earth – if not the oldest symbol. Follow this Sacred Geometry further down the road of magical mysticism, much of which has been renewed by New Age Spiritualism and you soon discover that it is all based upon the Jewish Kabbalah. Attachments:
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2013 13:03:48 GMT -5
The Hebrew LanguageYears ago I was watching a History Channel show on archeology in Egypt. These guys dug up a large stone that had Hebrew writing in it. I remember clearly the words of the archeologist on the scene. He said, “See this Hebrew writing from 3000 years ago, any child in Israel today could read this.” These words set me on fire to the point that I have been learning Hebrew ever since. – Why? What was it that got me motivated? I studied ancient Greek in school. I have done a lot of New Testament Greek studies. I have even taught Greek on a very small scale. So, I am well aware of how much language has changed and grown over the years. No one speak or reads ancient Greek any more, except in academia. No one speaks or reads Latin any more, except in academia. Look at English as a language. The 1611 King James Bible is hard for many modern day people to read and understand. Look at how much English has changes since the days of Chaucer and Shakespeare. In fact, if you go back in history 1000 years and all languages have become so changed, or evolved, to the point that no one today could carry on a conversation and many have just become dead languages. But here is ancient Hebrew from 3000 years ago that any Jewish child could read – why is that? I have tried to write papers and post them about this curiosity. Other languages have grown or evolved into their modern forms. It would almost seem that Hebrew didn’t need to grow or evolve – as if – it came to the Hebrews already fully developed. Now consider this revelation in the framework of Sacred Geomerty: “When two Tetrahedrons are merged together, they form a Star Tetrahedron – the Star of David. The Star of David is the symbol of Judaism, a set of religious beliefs and practices that originated from the Hebrew Bible. It is interesting to note that, when drawn overtop of one another, each of the 24 letters in the ancient language of Hebrew together form the Star Tetrahedron.” Read more: ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=multid&action=display&thread=223#ixzz2VSXAHi6JAttachments:
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2013 13:25:56 GMT -5
To revisit New Age Spiritualism or even Satanism, I ask if you know where all our knowledge about demons originate? This knowledge has always been parallel to Judeo-Christian heritage, although vehemently suppressed by the “church.’ Black Magic, Wizards, Sorcerers, Witches, spells, and incantations have long been a part of global mysticism. The Koran has an entire Suran dedicated to the Jinn. Children of the Western Tradition are educated early in life about Aladdin and his magical Genie. The New Testament is packed with stories of Jesus cast out demons from the general population. The Book of Acts tells us that not only did the Apostles have this ability, but at least pone Jewish Rabbi. Yet, 1000 years before the Koran was authored King Solomon wrote about these dark spiritual forces in great detail. The Testament of Solomon was common knowledge during the life of Jesus Christ. The Testament of Solomon, as well as, the Key of Solomon, written by Solomon’s son, were used by Alster Cowley to fashion the modern day Satanic Bible. Once again the connection to the Judeo-Christian heritage is overwhelming! Attachments:
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2013 13:44:15 GMT -5
The connection to the Judeo-Christian heritage is overwhelming! The end result of the Jewish heritage was Jesus Christ. Ponder this from: Why did Jesus Christ have to die? ponderingconfusion.com/papers.php?id=whydid“If Jesus Christ just fulfilled one prophesy that would be something, but in fact, He fulfilled over 300 to 400 various prophesies, dependent upon the source. What are the odds of that happening? A Study Conducted at MIT, by Jerry Ballard of Fisher's Of Men Group, tried to calculate this very question. He wrote, “Many of the prophecies concerning the Messiah were totally beyond human control: Birth: Place, time, manner of Death: People's reactions, piercing of side, burial Resurrection: Where did His body go? By using the modern science of probability in reference to just eight of these prophecies, the chance that any man might have lived to fulfill all eight prophecies is one in 100 trillion!”
One in a hundred trillion 1:100,000,000,000,000 or – 1 x 1011
“The chance of any one man's fulfilling all of 48 prophecies is one in ten to the 157th power.”
1:10 x 10157
1:10157 is such a huge and unimaginable number. What could possibly be the odds of Jesus Christ fulfilling 300 or even 400 prophesies? Clairvoyants, such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce, mediums, spiritists, and others, make remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accurate, but never totally accurate. So how does scripture help us determine who is speaking for God or not? According Deuteronomy 18:21-22: God's prophets are distinct from Satan's spokesmen, because they are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error! The question now becomes an exercise in logic. If Jesus Christ validates so much prophecy and therefore so many prophets, do not these same prophecies validate Jesus Christ?"
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2013 17:13:13 GMT -5
Roman Canon edit of the ArchonAs a New Testament Christian I began a serious study of everything I could get my hands on. As I studied the Old Testament, I thought that what better source for information that my local Rabbi. Immediately it became obvious that the Jews and the Christians didn’t see he Old Testament the same at all. The next shock to my religious system is when I discovered that there are more words of Jesus Christ outside of the Roman Canon than within. Why wouldn’t every follower of Christ want to know and study all of his words? As I began to study these non-canonical texts, it became clear that there were two major classifications of these non-canonical texts. One group is obviously more supportive of other gods, such as the Babylonian god Marduk; texts like the Enuma Elish that started this whole train of thought today. The second group of these Apocryphal texts that Rome tried to hide from the population contains a consistent theme about the Archon. Paul, Peter, and John all mention the Archon, as well as Jesus himself speak of the Archon. A prayer of the Apostle Paul, forbidden by the Roman thought police says, ‘Grant what no angel eye has seen and no archon ear (has) heard,…’ From an apocryphal The Letter of Peter to Philip, Peter states, “Then the apostles worshiped again saying, "Lord, tell us: In what way shall we fight against the archons, since the archons are above us?” In Gnostic beliefs, Archons are planetary rulers and guardians of the spiritual planes. The Archons were associated with the planets of our solar system, or more precisely - the visible seven planets. The common language of the time was Greek. In Greek, Archon means authority and comes from the same root as archangel. They are presented as predatory beings who inhibit spiritual awakening by convincing humanity of a false reality, they are the forces of sin, fear, and temptation. From: The Apocrypha of John, written by the same John that authored a new testament Gospel, 3 New Testament epistles, and the Book of Revelation: "The Archons cast a trance over Adam which caused him to be sleepy, but it was his perception they dulled ... They make our hearts heavy that we may not pay attention and may not see. So we loose the reflection of the Divine Light within us ... The Archons burden the soul, attracting us to works of evil, and pull us down into oblivion, make us forget who we are. The Second Treatise of the Great Seth, another text of gnostic origin, "... explains how the Archons induce a false plan of salvation into the human mind, a counterfeit of the true plan of self-liberation we can take by developing our innate potential of Nous, 'divine-intelligence.'" the script goes on to say, "... that 'the doctrine of Aliens' is a great deception upon the human soul." The Hypostasis of the Archons tells us that it was the Archons that fell and fathered children with mankind. They are the Nephillium and WATCHERS, and therefore - according to Zecharia Sitchin - the Anunnaki of Sumer. They were there when Eve was created and when Cain killed Able. This text also states very clearly that the Archons are the 'authorities of darkness' as told of in Colossians 1:13 and 'the spirits of wickedness' from Paul's letter to the Ephesians; "... our struggle is not against flesh and blood - as he says in (Ep 6:12) - but against the world rulers of this darkness and the spirits of wickedness (Archons)." In Gnostic beliefs, the Archon are a group of beings created before man alongside of the angels. The difference is that angels do not have a free will of their own and the Archon’s do. The angels do whatever God instructs them to do. They are the messengers of God throughout the Bible. Some even act as Satan, the accuser, doing Gods dirty works as in the story of Job. On the other hand, the Archon represent the group that had the free will to choose to disobey. Therefore the arrogant Dragon we call the Devil is the chief Archon. It was the Archon that were the Sons of God that fathered the Nephilim before the flood, and it is the Archon that have returned to mankind as gods after the flood. This Gnostic Christina sees the Archon as the god Baal of the Old Testament, the gods of Egypt, Osirus and Hores, The Anunnaki gods of Sumar, the Vedic gods of India, as well as the Greek gods of Mount Olympus. Because all these creatures are from the exact same source there are many similarities between their stories. Because they are from the same original source hints of the central truth appear in all of their mythologies. God evicted these creatures from earth with the Flood of Noah. After the flood they returned to us in hybrid Nephilim form – because they are of human hybrid form they require craft to fly through the air – and they have returned to us from outside of planet earth, which make them Alien and Extraterrestrial by definition. They also remain with us to this very day as the powers and principalities we are told to battle against by Paul. They are the spirits that Islam calls the Jinn. They are the demons of wickedness and agents of the Dragon/Devil. AND – they are the force behind modern day Ufology Attachments:
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Post by loretta on Jun 6, 2013 19:09:00 GMT -5
wow, a lot to process...but fascinating and exciting to explore. It's incredible that everyone has access to so much info at their fingertips and hardly anyone is interested. Maybe they just don't suspect that there is more to the story than what they have been taught. Jesus spoke in parables maybe for the reason that if you really want to know more, you have to desire to dig deeper.
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2013 22:44:56 GMT -5
The point
We, as products of Western Tradition Roman Christendom, which includes all of Catholicism and all of Protestantism, must unlearn a lot of inappropriate teaching.
So, if someone I respect asks a question, I will attempt to answer that question to the best of my ability.
You asked about the Enuma Elish. To say it isn’t relevant is just too simple of an answer. To say that it contains no truth relevant to creation might just be a lie. To say that I endorse its teaching would only validate a text that supports a non-Christ centered view. So, it becomes a complicated answer.
The difference between Eastern and Western traditions is as different as night and day.
Rome sanctioned the ‘one book’ canon and declared everything else as heresy. Then for 1500 years the population was not even allowed to read that ‘one book’ canon. Martin Luther was an ordained catholic priest presiding over a church, leading mass, for several years before he even read the New Testament for himself.
Protestantism reformed much of the stranglehold upon the people, but remains trapped within the sanctioned ‘one book’ canon. Reformers that defined the Protestant movement like Luther and Calvin began their individual training as Catholics.
In canons of the Eastern tradition are much larger than Rome’s. The Coptics for example have two sets of canons. One narrow – Rome’s ‘one book’ + 14 more texts. AND – they have a broader set, which contains more Jewish texts than the Torah, the Books of Enoch, the Book of Jubilees, many writings of Peter, as well as, several other Apostles.
The Coptic will discuss the Watchers of Enoch as a religious certainty and the Archons of the early Christian era. In the Western Tradition, not only can you not discuss these scriptural creatures; but you are chastised for even mentioning fairy tales, myths, or legends in a theological discussion.
Why? Louts Tsu said, “Know your enemy” – but in Roman Christendom it is inappropriate to even mention them. The result is that religious fundamentalism is fading away. The enemy has successfully diminished Biblical concepts like CREATION and the FLOOD of NOAH into hard to believe fairy tales themselves. If those basic Bible stories are not believable, then what happens to other Bible basics like the Immaculate Conception, Christ was God incarnate, or the Resurrection?
The vacuum left in the wake of diminishing Christendom is today being filled by alternative religions like: the religion of evolution, New Age Spiritualism, Christen Science Monitors, Mormonism, and even Satanism. Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet today.
All of this centers on a worship of the creation instead of the creator. One of our members here doubts that God had as much to do with the creation of Adam as little green men from Mars. This whole ancient astronaut legacy has become more tangible than God. One of our members here has their own web-site promoting getting to heaven by New Age Spiritualism self-development. While scripture clearly states there is only one way. – Jesus Christ.
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Post by Richard on Jun 8, 2013 19:30:33 GMT -5
I know we have talked about Sacred Geometry before, but isn't it interesting that this science also include harmonics. Vibrational energies that are even said to be able to heal the sick. Remember the Walls of Jericho! Seven days of blowing trumpets brought the walls down. Nikola Tesla (1856 - 1943) - Master of Resonancewww.intuitor.com/resonance/tesla.phpIt was an innocent experiment. Tesla had attached a small vibrator to an iron column in his New York City laboratory and started it vibrating. At certain frequencies specific pieces of equipment in the room would jiggle. Change the frequency and the jiggle would move to another part of the room. Unfortunately, he hadn't accounted for the fact that the column ran downward into the foundation beneath the building. His vibrations were being transmitted all over Manhattan. For Tesla, the first hint of trouble came when the walls and floor began to heave. He stopped the experiment just as the police crashed through the door. It seems he'd started a small earthquake in his neighborhood smashing windows, swayed buildings, and sending panicked neighbors rushing into the streets.
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Post by Richard on Jun 8, 2013 20:39:19 GMT -5
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Post by Richard on Jun 8, 2013 20:45:13 GMT -5
The International Harp Therapy Programwww.harptherapyinternational.com/What Is Harp Therapy? For centuries, the beneficial relationship between music and healing has been well established. We now have substantial documentation of the responsiveness to and appreciation of music by peoples of all ages and cultures. Music played on the harp has several unique healing properties. The resonance from the strings, including the range of pitch and tonal color, set up an important relationship between the sound and the recipient. Historically, the harp has been a symbol of relief and comfort Attachments:
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Post by Virginia on Jun 8, 2013 22:28:19 GMT -5
There is a church in England (I do not remember the name) where they did this experiment with sand but they vibrated the plate with a violin bow.
The sand formed these geometric shapes also.
This church was supposed to have been built by the Knights Templer. The priest at this church found something--they do not know what--but apparently he sold it to the Vatican for a lot of money. The priest became rich over night and expanded the church and added on to it.
Archeologists used sonar to check the grounds to see if they could find something else buried there but did not find anything.
They did the experiment with the sand to see if anything super natural would happen but nothing happened.
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