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Post by Dave on Aug 6, 2013 1:30:51 GMT -5
I certainly believe in creation and design. The moon did not accidentally spin and rotate at exactly the same time-rate (29.5 days) so that we would always see only one side of the moon. This is by design. The moon did not accidentally drift away from earth to become 400 times closer than the sun, while coincidentally the moon so happens to be 400 times smaller than the sun. This was by design. The rotation, size and distance of the moon from the earth are precise - by design. Our moon is not alone in solar eclipses either; many planets display this precision with solar eclipses with their moons. Steve You couldn't be more correct and I agree with you 100% about intelligent design and the moon serving a designed purpose for host planet earth and humanity. I offer two points 1. I have a paper in my semi-organized mess somewhere that address the orbital mechanics of the tidal lock of our moon. the math is way beyond me but the point of it is this: (I think) It has to do with the mass of the moon + its closeness to earth + the hydrolic cushioning effect of our oceans. Just as the tides of the oceans are drawn by the moon's gravity, the reciprocal tug on the moon keeps it from rotating out of sync. It is this springiness, this shock absorbing effect, that allows tidal lock without both bodies being torn apart. 2. Moon capture theory - I offer this just as a quandary - but are you familiar with the idea that the Moon was actually "Manufactured" somewhere else, then brought to earth to serve as a base for entities whose job it is to keep tabs on humanity? Our friend Virginia would call them alien. I refer to them as what has happened to the Watchers of Enoch, or the Gnostic Archons, after these life forms were ejected from earth by the flood. Tag - your it.
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Post by Virginia on Aug 6, 2013 9:30:31 GMT -5
Thank you Dave for bringing me into this conversation. Yes I do believe in ancient aliens having to do with creating the moon but also in creating lots of structures we find all over earth. I call then aliens, some call them Gods.
What I find a mistery is that there is no evidence of structural plans written down any place. The only place there may be evidence on how all this stuff was built is some carvings and drawings in Egypt. I think aliens are ready to announce their arrival and that is the reason the Vatican just announced in 2008 that they believe in beings on other planets.
Scientists just announced that sending humans to Mars is just too difficult and may not be worth it. Perhaps this is the reason my aliens abandoned that planet.
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Post by Dave on Aug 6, 2013 10:47:34 GMT -5
I knew you would jump on this. But you have to know my take on this is entirely a Bible related, theological, multidimensional, or demonic (for a lack of better terminology). The complete opposite from little green men from planet X. Having said that - no ancient plans found- you must realize that there are ZERO surviving written documents from anytime before the first century or so. The oldest OT documents are from 100 AD. The Oldest NT documents are from 200 AD. The reason this document survived is because they were treated like gold and copies over and over with the purpose of preserving them. So surviving architectural plans from 10,000 BC - not a chance. For me, I would be more satisfied if we found something metallic. If these ancient aliens had flying ships and other advanced technology; and we assume they were here for a while on the ground (several hundred years) then why didn't they leave any trash of any kind? A screw, bolt or nut, a metallic tool, or even a discarded alien beer can. The closest find so far, after all the acrhological digs at these ancient alien based sites, comes from the middle of nowhere in Wyoming. The Coso artifact is an object claimed by its discoverers to be a spark plug found encased in a lump of hard clay or rock on February 13, 1961 by Wallace Lane, Virginia Maxey, and Mike Mikesell while they were prospecting for geodes near the town of Olancha, California, and long claimed as an example of an out-of-place artifact."If a spark plug is encased in a 500,000-year-old "geode," this finding would represent a substantial scientific and historical anomaly, as spark plugs were invented in the 19th century. Critics have argued, however, that the concretion, not geode, containing the Coso artifact can be explained by known natural processes and credible evidence for it being 500,000 years old is completely lacking." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coso_artifactI bring this because this single artifact is a perfect example of how ancient dating is flawed. Debunkers argue that it is a 1920s spark plug yet the rock it is encased within dates to 500,000 years. However, instead of this repeatable dating error causing questions for the dating process, the artifact has conveniently come up missing. Almost as if there was a conspiracy within science to maintain their own version of the truth. Almost like the Smithsonian seizing all the bones from the mounds in Cairo Illinois, bones of humanoids 18-36 feet tall, to never be heard of again. But then these bones would support the biblical claim to giants - and the conspiracy of science cannot have that. My point, there is a conspiracy of science to present ancient history as non-theological. The pyramids were build completely by thousands of humans - right? So, if someone did find an ancient metallic artifact in support of an ancient alien connection - it would be suppressed - right after it was rumored. But neither has happened. So my problem with ancient alien evidence is that it is an exception to common archaeology. So, if these visitors were not aliens with metallic technology - what else could be their expatiation if not a multidimension / spirit based / angelic like / or demon like visitation? I feel like I am rambling here - so, I'll stop. Attachments:
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Post by Virginia on Aug 6, 2013 12:36:34 GMT -5
We do not know how much evidence is out there because any knowledge of a UFO crashing brings out the military immediately and no lay person is allowed to come near. We do not know how much evidence is stored at Area 51 or Dulce, NM.
I know you want to find all the answers in the Bible but I see evidence in the Bible that supports my theories.
My Bibles are packed away right now but when I am unpacked I will bring you samples of what I find.
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Post by steve on Aug 6, 2013 18:32:06 GMT -5
Hendon’s theory with my addition – fit the scripture perfectly. This is the primary reason I believe in this combination of theories without reservation, because they do correlate perfectly with all other theories, from multiple science disciplines, as well as, scripture – which is also why I have had issues getting it formally published with scientific literature; thus, the sole purpose of the Book. I am look forward to reading your book. It is what brought me to this website in the first place. I have instinctively been following the hydrogen, as this was the first element which proceeded all others. The universe consists of mostly hydrogen. Hydrogen, under -33 kelvin, becomes liquid, which may have been the early earth, similar to Saturn or Jupiter, which is more support for Herndon's theory also. The "watery deep" of Genesis 1 may have been liquid hydrogen. Transmutation (or bonding) occurs with change in temperature, which is light. Your hyper-volcanism played a huge role in FD-WEDT, but instead of covering the entire land masses (which there is no evidence of) it happened primarily under the oceans water forming the ocean floors. Yes; this seems to be the case. The super-volcanoes which formed Yellowstone, the Rockies, Colorado Plateau, Great Dividing Range, Siberia and India - along with other Large Igneous Provinces (LIPs), appear to be the exceptions. The earth went through an extremely volcanic episode which (I think) was (mostly) during the great flood episode. If haven’t already – I invite you again to check our parent website - ponderingconfusion.com/There you will find FD-WEDT parts 1 through 4 that address all of this in greater detail. Thanks Dave, I will try to get through it all. I am currently trying to digest Dan Bridges material on Our Expanding Earth: The Ultimate Cause. Dan presents material that I have been looking for... that the giant "meteorite craters" of the earth and moon are actually volcanic craters. WEDT and FD-WEDT both suggest that in the beginning protoplanet Pangea (earth) was at the core of a Jupiter sized protoplanet gas giant – therefore Assumption #1 is dramatically flawed... That is interesting. There are many reasons I see that the radiometric dating is flawed. The most compelling reason is that it is so diametrically contrary to all other methods of dating. There are dozens of methods to perform dating procedures, and they all conflict with the radiometric system. I personally subscribe to the YEC belief, although I also believe that each "day" equals 1,000 years in duration (apart from the day of "rest"). My views are not acceptable to the YEC's or the OEC; nevertheless, I think the evidence and scriptures best suits this conclusion. God Bless Steve
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Post by steve on Aug 6, 2013 19:02:21 GMT -5
1. I have a paper in my semi-organized mess somewhere that address the orbital mechanics of the tidal lock of our moon. the math is way beyond me but the point of it is this: (I think) It has to do with the mass of the moon + its closeness to earth + the hydrolic cushioning effect of our oceans. Just as the tides of the oceans are drawn by the moon's gravity, the reciprocal tug on the moon keeps it from rotating out of sync. It is this springiness, this shock absorbing effect, that allows tidal lock without both bodies being torn apart. This is still a mystery to me. Tidal lock due to forces of gravity should not push the water away on the other side of the earth. I am bamboozled by this. I have read some explanations, but I still don't get it. 2. Moon capture theory - I offer this just as a quandary - but are you familiar with the idea that the Moon was actually "Manufactured" somewhere else, then brought to earth to serve as a base for entities whose job it is to keep tabs on humanity? I have heard this idea; but I don't subscribe to it though. I think the entire universe was designed as part of the future plans for mankind and the entire ruling of the Kingdom of God under Christ and those chosen to rule with Him. Earth is the prototype for spiritual beings. We are here on our 'learners' to see if: 1./ whether or not we acknowledge our creator (the first and greatest command), and 2./ whether or not we respect the rule of law toward our neighbors (the 2nd command). The great day of judgment is to unlock our future bodies (resurrection) and to sort us into class groups based on our obedience to the two commands. If we cannot respect God and our neighbor in this body, then the next life will have even more restrictions placed on us. Those who honor God and neighbor will be given many rewards - part of which is the entire universe. Earth is only the first step of God's great plan for man and the heavens. I think the watchers of Enoch's book already have a judgment... where they have more restricted bodies. They are no longer powerful as they once were. Same with Satan; he is quite restricted. They must also answer to God, and when they disobey God there are consequences, just as there are for us. God Bless Steve
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Post by Dave on Aug 7, 2013 1:50:22 GMT -5
I think the watchers of Enoch's book already have a judgment... where they have more restricted bodies. They are no longer powerful as they once were. Same with Satan; he is quite restricted. They must also answer to God, and when they disobey God there are consequences, just as there are for us. Steve, In your opinion, what are the Watchers and Archon doing today? Are they completely gone from the human experience? Satan is restricted? Please offer evidence - a scripture perhaps. Because I totally disagree. I think many people mistake subtleness for restriction. The Beast is very much alive and well and dominating the global scene as never before.
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Post by Dave on Aug 7, 2013 2:06:22 GMT -5
Steve, you said - If we cannot respect God and our neighbor in this body, then the next life will have even more restrictions placed on us. Interesting statement. Christendom preaches Hebrews 9:27 - We die once then the judgment. What exactly are you referring to by "next life?" 1. The possibility to continue to learn grow in the afterlife? or 2. Reincarnation into this reality again? Here is a Gnostic verse written by the Apostle John, the author of a Gospel, 3 epistles, and the Book of Revelations: this is John speaking with Christ after the Resurrection. "And I said, "Lord, where will the souls of these go when they have come out of their flesh?" And he smiled and said to me, "The soul in which the power will become stronger than the counterfeit spirit, is strong and it flees from evil and, through the intervention of the incorruptible one, it is saved, and it is taken up to the rest of the aeons."And I said, "Lord, those, however, who have not known to whom they belong, where will their souls be?" And he said to me, "In those, the despicable spirit has gained strength when they went astray. And he burdens the soul and draws it to the works of evil, and he casts it down into forgetfulness. And after it comes out of (the body), it is handed over to the authorities, who came into being through the archon, and they bind it with chains and cast it into prison, and consort with it until it is liberated from the forgetfulness and acquires knowledge. And if thus it becomes perfect, it is saved."
And I said, "Lord, how can the soul become smaller and return into the nature of its mother or into man?" Then he rejoiced when I asked him this, and he said to me, "Truly, you are blessed, for you have understood! That soul is made to follow another one (fem.), since the Spirit of life is in it. It is saved through him. It is not again cast into another flesh.""
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Post by Dave on Aug 7, 2013 2:10:06 GMT -5
I know you want to find all the answers in the Bible but I see evidence in the Bible that supports my theories. I know you are in the middle of moving - no hurry we are always here - but nothing would make me happier than if you got out your Bible and gave me a verse. This is also my point - aliens and UFOs are scriptural. After five years of having the same conversation - do we finally agree?
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Post by Richard on Aug 7, 2013 3:02:39 GMT -5
I tried to google Hydridic Earth theory, presented by Russian geologist Vladimir Larin.
This is what I found at wikipedia: The section Expanding Hydritic Earth was only sourced to a Russian language blog or discussion website and the Wiki article on the topic seems sourced only to self-published sites. As such, I can't see leaving it in the article so will remove. If valid refs can be produced for its relevance then it can be re-added. Vsmith (talk) 15:22, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Is there a better source?
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Post by steve on Aug 7, 2013 22:50:16 GMT -5
Steve, In your opinion, what are the Watchers and Archon doing today? Are they completely gone from the human experience? It has been a while since I have given consideration to the watchers. Enoch mentions a rebellion of angels, some 200 of them, who came to earth in pursuit of ungodliness. They spread knowledge around which had corrupted man's thinking. I suspect you are talking about these particular watchers. These fallen angels were 'locked up' in the "valleys of the Earth" until Judgment Day. Jude 6 also says that these fallen angels are kept "in everlasting chains under darkness" until Judgment Day. I suspect that Day of Judgment has not yet arrived. These were not the only fallen ones to take their side against God; there are others who were ostensibly not locked up. Satan's name is not mentioned among the 200 fallen. An interesting book discussing the archons is The Second Treatise of the Great Seth, from The Nag Hammadi Library ( gnosis.org/naghamm/2seth.html). I think this book is an apology for Satan; possibly even inspired by Satan. Therein is described the different hierarchies of angels prior to and after the fall. It is worth a read if you have not already done so. Satan is restricted? Please offer evidence - a scripture perhaps. Because I totally disagree. I think many people mistake subtleness for restriction. The idea of Satan's restrictions comes from the fall, which affected all of creation, particularly those angels which had also fallen. They have met with a degree of corruption. I might be wrong on this; I am not dogmatic about it. The Beast is very much alive and well and dominating the global scene as never before. Yes, I agree, naturally. What the bible tells us about Satan and the beast is emphatic. I do not question any of the genuineness or authority of scripture. God Bless Steve
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Post by steve on Aug 7, 2013 23:10:51 GMT -5
I tried to google Hydridic Earth theory, presented by Russian geologist Vladimir Larin. This is what I found at wikipedia: The section Expanding Hydritic Earth was only sourced to a Russian language blog or discussion website and the Wiki article on the topic seems sourced only to self-published sites. As such, I can't see leaving it in the article so will remove. If valid refs can be produced for its relevance then it can be re-added. Vsmith (talk) 15:22, 17 March 2011 (UTC)Is there a better source? Hi Richard, There is not a lot available on the Internet, which is surprising. The following website, Expanding Earth Knowledge, Co, has an interesting article called Dual Geospheres of the Expanding Hydridic Earth ( eearthk.com/Articles03.html). You can buy the book of Vladimir Larin, called Hydridic Earth: The New Geology of Our Primordially Hydrogen-Rich Planet, from Polar Publishing ( www.polarpublishing.com/). A 10 minute documentary of Hydridic Earth is available on Youtube ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebrxLNfotBA). It has English captions if you click on the "captions" button. I do not think Hydridic theory is a complete theory to explain the origins of the universe or earth. I think it should be read alongside Herndon's theory, as well as Genesis. It is a start in helping to explain how hydrogen became the father of universal mass, as found in earth, and why the bible states that a liquid (liquid hydrogen?) was the state of the earth before day 1 of genesis ("the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters"). I hope this helps. God Bless Steve
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Post by steve on Aug 7, 2013 23:18:55 GMT -5
Interesting statement. Christendom preaches Hebrews 9:27 - We die once then the judgment. What exactly are you referring to by "next life?" Hi Dave, When I say the "next life", I mean the life from the time of the resurrection. "Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life." (Hebrews 11:35) BTW., I bought your book yesterday. I look forward to reading it. God Bless Steve
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Post by Dave on Aug 8, 2013 3:00:34 GMT -5
Steve said, - These fallen angels were 'locked up' in the "valleys of the Earth" until Judgment Day. Jude 6 also says that these fallen angels are kept "in everlasting chains under darkness" until Judgment Day.
Consider, or as i like to say, Ponder this:
In the Book of Jubilees, God commanded the angels to bind all evil spirits. The chief of the evil spirits came and asked the Lord:
Jubilees 10:8-9 ... 'Lord creator, leave some of them before me; let them listen to me and do everything that I tell them, because if none of them is left for me I shall not be able to exorcises the authority of my will among mankind. For they are meant for the destroying and misleading before my punishment because the evil of mankind is great.' Then God said that a tenth of them should be left before him, while He would make nine parts descend to the place of judgment.
Gen 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days - and also afterward ..."
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Post by steve on Aug 8, 2013 17:57:47 GMT -5
Gen 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days - and also afterward ..." I do not think this reference in genesis states that the Nephilim lived post-flood. There were certain characteristics of "giants" found in later generations (post-flood), but these were not actual Nephilim. "And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.” (Numbers 13:33). "(For only Og the king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim. Behold, his bed was a bed of iron. Is it not in Rabbah of the Ammonites? Nine cubits was its length, and four cubits its breadth, according to the common cubit.)" (Deuteronomy 3:11) In short, whenever later generations had gigantic structure, they were labelled as "Nephilim". They were not really Nephilim from pre-flood. I think Jubilees has it slightly wrong, as some of Jubilees was contaminated. The same with 1st Enoch (chapters 106 - 107) where it says that Noah was a giant. I think Enoch was also contaminated in certain places. This is only my opinion. God Bless Steve
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