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Post by loretta on Oct 30, 2012 15:04:37 GMT -5
I am new to this site and happy to have a place to ask questions! First, is there any scenario where the earth could be compressed again? Thinking about Rev 21:1 and there being no more sea. As well as the concept of the earth being purified by fire...does anyone have any insight into what the "new" earth might be like? thanks!
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Post by Dave on Oct 30, 2012 23:57:49 GMT -5
Welcome - and what a good question. I have been reading along these lines recently. There are 2 very different perspectives to consider. The first is just to look at the world in the same ol'e terms. Pole shift? Climate change over the food producing areas of the planet. Desert areas will one day transform into green lands over time, but the change from green lands to desert will be abrupt. Catastrophic earthquakes over large areas - loss of land mass, both by earthquake and a rise in the ocean level. These changes would be terrible, but they wouldn't be the worst of it. If any of the future earth maps are correct - someday (soon) 30-165 Nuclear reactors will be lost, destroyed?, damaged (certainly), underwater + whatever stock piles of toxic chemicals and metals to mix into the goo. Humanity - as we are now - will surely struggle to survive! The earth will never be the same as we knew in our childhoods. Every prophesy out there calls for a great culling of the human herd. The future looks pretty bleak - until: You consider the second perspective. Prophecy clearly states that at the last moment, when humanity just can't take it any longer, God / Jesus will step in and save humanity - and it will happen in the twinkling of an eye! What does that mean? Sounds pretty religious - huh? Look at this scripture: Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead shall give life also to your mortal bodies through his Spirit that dwelleth in you. ASV Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. KJV 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say , brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold , I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep , but we shall all be changed , 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound , and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed . 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written , Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? KJV 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy victory? O death, where is thy sting? ASV Ponder this - when the Nuclear Reactor in Chernobyl exploded and destroyed the countryside, people said nothing would live there for years. YET - the very next summer the field mice were running rampant in numbers that would worry the farmers. WHY - their genes mutated! They adapted. Ponder this also - "we shall be changed" ... "in the twinkle of an eye ' – This isn’t the first time this has happened in scriptural history. Adam and Eve were made immortal, then mortal But Adam and his lineage lived long healthy lives – (500-900yrs) Then the flood Now man is destined to live only 120 years AND because we live in our own filth for centuries life spans were only 40- 50 years Today, through “progress” we have extended our life spans to 80+ But through this same progress we now call our own filth – pollution As the toxic waste dump grows and explodes out of control with earth change humanity will suffer. In fact prophesy says that only a few of us will survive! But those that do will be changed / mutated / adapted to their new environment This adaptation – or evolution of the species – is simply humanity returning to the man that God made – like Adam was before the fall. Attachments:
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Post by loretta on Nov 1, 2012 23:51:24 GMT -5
bible.org/question/-can-you-explain-why-"no-more-sea"-revelation-211
not sure if this is a clickable link...if not you can find this article on bible.org. The abyss and the water connection is very interesting. I'm thinking there could have been some big changes in the function of the center of the earth after all the water came forth and things expanded...? ..thanks for your insight..Dave!
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Post by Dave on Nov 2, 2012 14:20:42 GMT -5
Before I talk any further about pole shift and its consequences, I want to make sure everyone understands why we have polar ice caps. Look at image A, the sun is shining on exactly ½ of the planet, from the Northern dotted line to the Southern dotted line. However, because the earth is tilted 23.5o the Northern Arctic Circle is completely in the dark; while the Southern Antarctic Circle is completely in the sunlight. Both poles are colder than the equator because the solar radiant energy is not striking the earth straight on, but at an oblique angle. During Arctic Winter ice and snow accumulate and the ice cap grows. During Antarctic Summer ice warms and melts. AND – from image B, it is easy to see that every 6 months the cycle changes to Antarctic Winter and Arctic Summer. This constant winter shadow at the poles fuels the accumulation of the polar ice caps. Global WarmingPeople want to discuss global warming as if it was secondary to higher CO2 levels in out atmosphere only. Damn those coal burning factories and SUVs. Earthly CO2 is evidently some powerful stuff, because the ices caps on Mars and Europa are also shrinking; and the weather patterns on Jupiter have change so much that the great red spot has shrunk in size. WAKE UP PEOPLE – Global Warming is a solar system wide phenomenon. Examples from within our own solar systemUranus – 24/7 (Uranus’ time) its North Pole is pointed directly at the Sun. Its Northern Hemisphere experiences total daylight for ½ of its year, while its Southern Hemisphere is in total darkness. Imagine life on earth like this! Life all around the equator might be like Northern Alaska or Siberia. Venus – Not only is Venus upside down (in relation to all its sibling planets), but Venus also rotates counterclockwise. If earth was in this orientation, once we got use to the sun rising in the West each morning and out compass always pointing to the South Pole, life might not be so bad. The polar ice caps would be very small in diameter. (Earth’s polar circles determined by +/- 23o – Venus is +/- 3o). The weather patterns would be much more stable and consistent. The extremes in temperatures would be less and the extremes between winter and summer would be less. As well as, the differences between the seasons would be less. The real question is: How did these planets get like this? Do the research – both Uranus and Venus have been knocked off their original alignment by: impact by a planet or large asteroid, gravitational forces by a close passing large body (planet/black hole), Or, as I will add – gravitational influence from many sources – to include the midline of our galaxy. 10:21 PM EDT December 21st, 2012Is the exact time our solar system crosses this galactic midline plane. Our planet earth will be in direct alignment with our sun and the center of our galaxy. Gravimetric / Magnetic forcesWatch a child play with small magnets! Line them up this way and they attract each other. Line them up oppositely and they repel each other. We all understand this – but this is my point – as the child moves the magnets closer together watch what happens. At first – nothing happens Secondly – the magnet your approaching begins to detect the neighboring magnetic field – it wiggles at first – just as the wobble of the earth has grown, just as the magnetic poles on earth are moving, because our axial tilt has increased over the last 50yrs, earth’s polar circles has shrunk and our ice caps have diminished. Then – BANG – the magnets JUMP TOGETHER – or – FLY APART!One day long ago some Mastodons were calmly grazing on some tropical flowers – then – flash frozen in Siberia. What if a pole flip happens?2 possible outcomes – 1) nothing changes except the needle on the compass – 2) the planet actually physically flips over – upside down. Watch a child’s top. It spins perfectly upright until it begins to slow in rotation. Then the top begins to wobble –just as our planet does today and has for centuries. Then – BANG – it flips over / falls over / crashes. If this would happen to planet earth ----- the waters would spill from their locations. Tsunamis of unimaginable magnitude would ravish the lands. 300 mile winds, or more, would rage across the globe for months. Weather storms would dominate the atmosphere for years, until a new balance was struck between all the forces involved. Survive that if you can. Attachments:
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Post by Dave on Nov 2, 2012 16:45:51 GMT -5
bible.org/question/can-you-explain-why-there-%E2%80%9Cno-more-sea%E2%80%9D-revelation-211Rev 21:1 Καὶ (and) εἶδον (I saw) οὐρανὸν (heaven, sky, atmosphere) καινὸν (new, remade, fresh) καὶ (and) γῆν (earth – not ‘planet earth,’ but dirt, ground, land) καινήν. (new, remade, fresh) ὁ (the) γὰρ (for, indeed) πρῶτος (first, original, former) οὐρανὸς (heaven, sky, atmosphere) καὶ (and) ἡ (the) πρώτη (first, original, former) γῆ ((earth – not ‘planet earth,’ but dirt, ground, land) ἀπῆλθαν (were passed away, expired, departed) καὶ (and) ἡ (the) θάλασσα (sea, body of water) οὐκ (not) ἔστιν (is) ἔτι. (any longer, any more). I have had 8 semesters of Classical Greek. I am sure I would get a passing grade on this translation: “And I saw the atmosphere and land made new and fresh. Indeed, the former atmosphere and land had gone away and the sea doesn’t exist anymore.”Pretty amazing statement isn’t it. On Sunday morning it is enough just to say – God can do it. However, we here at Pondering Confusion are not afraid to explore by what mechanism God might do it. There are 2 important questions to answer – HOW and WHEN? The how of this one is easy. The earth shall be consumed by fire – what does this mean to me? I have always seen this in as an astrological event. Flames coming down from heaven and burning everything insight! (If I was 10 yrs old maybe this explanation would be sufficient – but I am not 10 yrs old.) Let’s look at our neighboring planets: It appears that there may be a water sea, lake, or large puddle, on the moon Europa. Other than Europa (which has yet to be proven) Earth is the only planet with an active water cycle, oceans, seas, lakes, and rain. However, scientists are trying their hardest to prove that Mars once had and active water cycle, just like earth’s. There are evidence of dried up lake bottoms, rivers, and streams. AND – just what do they think happened to Martian seas, lakes, rivers, and streams? The magnetic field around Mars declined and the solar winds blew the water away into space over time. The solar winds sweep at the outer atmosphere. As the planet’s magnetic field decreases it no longer repels the solar winds and radiations. Water on the planet’s surface evaporates into the atmosphere. As the atmosphere is stripped away from the outermost boundary, the atmospheric pressure reduces and fuels the evaporation process. Over time all the water had left the surface and moved into the thinning atmosphere. Over more time the moisture in the atmosphere is swept into space, leaving Mars a barren and waterless planet. Could this same thing happen to earth? It all depends on out electromagnetic field, which is currently weakening, and becoming unstable. In fact, the magnetic field has always diminished prior to a pole shift – or pole wander. Will earth one day loose its entire ocean – most probably YES! The question is when? In 2012? After 2012? Anytime in the foreseeable future? I’ll have to say no! Revelation 20 is the chapter of the White Throne Judgment. Hell and the Grave give up their dead and some are saved while others are cast into the lake of fire. This is not anytime soon. First we will have the tribulation, and second coming. Then there will be 1000 yrs of peace on the planet (remember, those are biblical years – so it could be thousands of years, or 10s of thousands of years – who knows) So what about the near future? I see earth change rearranging our planet. I don’t see the planet re-compressing again. The pressures and conditions that would cause that would not be compatible with life as we are now. However, loss of land mass to the point that the continents will have to be redrawn. Edgar Cayce speaks about new lands emerging in both the Atlantic and Pacific. Just imagine the water that would be displaced if a new island / continent the size of England, Greenland, or Australia rose in either ocean. Talk about a global rise in sea level! If the rotational axis changes enough, the size and location of our polar ice caps would also change and move. We would have a new equator. The earth would go through decades of earthquakes and extreme weather as opposing forces struggle for balance.
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Post by Richard on Nov 2, 2012 19:45:41 GMT -5
Jupiter's stormy Great Red Spot is shrinkingApril 02, 2009|By A. Pawlowski CNN articles.cnn.com/2009-04-02/tech/jupiter.red.spot.shrinking_1_great-red-spot-amy-simon-miller-glenn-orton?_s=PM:TECHEverything about Jupiter is super-sized, including its colorful, turbulent atmosphere. But there's fresh evidence that one of the planet's most recognizable features, the Great Red Spot, is shrinking. The spot, which is actually an ancient monster storm that measures about three Earths across, lost 15 percent of its diameter between 1996 and 2006, scientists at the University of California, Berkeley, have found. It shrank by about 1 kilometer (about 0.6 miles) a day during that time period, said Xylar Asay-Davis, a postdoctoral researcher who was part of the study. New Storm on Jupiter Hints at Climate Changeby Sara Goudarzi, Staff WriterDate: 04 May 2006 Time: 01:00 PM ET www.space.com/2071-storm-jupiter-hints-climate-change.htmlA storm is brewing half a billion miles away and in a rare event, astronomers get to watch it closely. Jupiter is growing a new red spot and the Hubble Space Telescope is photographing the scene. Backyard astronomers have been following the action, too. "Red Spot Jr." as it is being called, formed after three white oval-shaped storms-two of which were at least 90 years old-merged between 1998 and 2000. A similar merger took place centuries ago and formed the bigger and legendary Great Red Spot, a storm twice as big as Earth and almost 300 years old. Close inspections of Red Spot Jr., in Hubble images released today, reveal that similar to the Great Red Spot, the more recently developed storm rises above the top of the main cloud deck on Jupiter. Little is known about how storms form on the giant planet. They are often described as behaving similar to hurricanes on Earth. Some astronomers believe that the spots dredge up material deep below Jupiter's clouds and lift it to where the Sun's ultraviolet light chemically alters it to give it a red hue. The latest images could provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst of a global change that can modify temperatures by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit on different parts of the globe.The study was led jointly by Imke de Pater and Philip Marcus of University of California, Berkeley. (Damn earthly CO2 - coal fueled factories and SUVs)Attachments:
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Post by Dillon on Nov 5, 2012 13:50:16 GMT -5
I am still waiting for Dave to answer Loretta's second question, and what an interesting one it is. Is there a connection between water and demons? You have made the claim that Ufology is actually confused with Demonology. The Flood not only pushed the Archons / Watchers offworld, but: You have also made the claim that the barren (waterless) worlds of this solar system is inhabited by these same Archons / Watchers. Perhaps here is another correlation to be made. ?
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Post by Dave on Nov 9, 2012 13:33:40 GMT -5
Water and demons
Gosh Loretta – see what happens when you ask a question! I personally had not considered this before now, but you can bet I’ll be thinking about your question for quite some time. In my book I talk about the earth change that we know as the global flood of Noah. I make the conclusion that this “Global Flood” event was necessary to shoo away the Archons / Watchers, by changing the earth into an environment where these evil entities could not exist as they once did. I talk about the elimination of the firmament that enveloped the earth as a gas giant planet like Jupiter. The change in the atmospheric pressure was catastrophic. Also, with my model I show how the earth had no rain before the flood and all of the earth was watered from the ground up (Gen 2:5-6). Before the Flood of Noah – the earth had no rain, no large oceans, and only four rivers that encircled the earth. AND- in this waterless planetoid the Nephelium / Watchers / Archons were living and playing right here on planet earth. Giants, Magic, Astronomy, genetic mutations and cross breading (Gen 6:4) were the norm for the era. After the flood – we have huge oceans and seas, rain, and rainbows – but the Nephilim / Watchers / Archons have been evicted. Sure they can appear her, for a moment – much like a man can scuba dive the deepest ocean, but cannot stay there for long. This is exactly why much of the UFO saga today revolves around genetic manipulation, cloning, and possibly bio-robotic creatures that require flying craft to come here and bother us. These creatures (according to me) are the biological pawns of these Watchers / Archons. However, since they are biological, these creatures can exist here comfortably and also because they are biological they require transportation vehicles (UFOs). I found the following passage from: “The Demons And The Pigs (Matthew 8:28-34)”, a study by: Allen Ross, From the Series: An Exposition of the Gospel of Matthew, bible.org/seriespage/demons-and-pigs-matthew-828-34 “Outside the Gospels we have several passages that deal with the problem of spiritual conflict (and your reading will open these up). Perhaps of primary interest to us in our spiritual struggles is the fact that we are still dealing with spirit forces, even though it looks like we have struggles with humans. Paul says that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers and authorities and the powers of this dark world and the spiritual forces of evil in heavenly realms (Eph. 6:12). It may appear that we are dealing with people, but Paul says that something greater is at work in them.
By darker regions I do not simply refer to primitive locations with voodoo and ritual magic. It is pretty clear that Hitler’s Nazi world was driven by demon forces, given Hitler’s hatred of the biblical God and Christ, and his attachment to the occult.”Also from: Demons Can't Swim, by David Wilkerson, November 09, 1992 www.tscpulpitseries.org/english/1990s/ts921109.html“Throughout the Bible, From Cover to Cover, Water Is a Type of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Himself said, "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this he spake of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive)" John 7:38-39).
The Holy Spirit is living water! He falls like rain (both the former and latter rains). He springs up like a well within thirsting believers. And His life is poured out as a flood upon the world - like streams in the desert!
When I say demons can't stand water, I am talking about the Holy Spirit! Every demon in hell knows that water in the Bible represents God's Spirit. And they know that since Jesus is now bodily with the Father, their arch enemy is His Spirit - and wherever He abides, they must flee! They can't stand the water of the Holy Ghost - in you, in the church or in the world. And the sea that the swine were driven into was a type of the Holy Spirit! This was to serve as an object lesson to all succeeding generations.
Yet dryness represents one who is void of the Spirit of God. Dry places are a type of spiritless people - God's Spirit does not dwell in them. David said, "The rebellious dwell in a dry land" (Psalm 68:6). This is true of the believer who has neglected the Lord: he has become "dry," empty of all things of God. And dead, dry churches and Christians become the dwelling places of unclean spirits. Demons roam about them, looking for rest - because dryness opens one up to demonic harassment.
Ezekiel prophesied that the flood is going to flow in ever-increasing intensity. It will grow from a trickle... to a river... and finally to an ocean to swim in!
As Ezekiel watched the flood turn into an ocean, the Lord told him to come up out of the water and look back over the banks that once were barren. "Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river. Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other" (Ezekiel 47:6-7).
What a wonderful sight! Once there had been nothing but dryness - but now multitudes of trees had grown. In fact, everywhere the water flowed, life had sprung up. "And it shall come to pass, that everything that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live" (verse 9). All death had departed - every demon had fled!
If there is a promised latter rain to come - a final, great outpouring of the Spirit - then a great harvest of souls is inevitable. Ezekiel saw this and said: "There shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither" (verse 9). That means a catch of exceedingly many fish - multitudes of souls saved!”Holy Water and CatholicismWe all know that Catholic Exorcist use “Holy Water” to cast out demons. So, is it just the water or is it the fact that it is Holy. I looked around to find out exactly what the difference is between Holy Water and regular water. What I found is that Holy Water is just ordinary tap water that has been blessed and consecrated. I tried to find out exactly what this means other than a Priest somewhere prayed over the water – I stopped looking when I found a “Do It Yourself” procedure for making your own Holy Water. Basically, it said to “Boil the Hell” out of the water. So, Holy water is more symbolic in nature than having some unique chemical property. In Agreement with the symbolism of the Holy Spirit, as above. Other interesting scriptureRevelation 9:13-14 (NIV) 13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the four horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” I looked at the three words “bound,” “at,” and “river” The word translated as “bound” – could have also been translated as: tied, fastened, compelled, declared to be prohibited or unlawful. The word “at” – simply mean at – it could never imply that these four angels “in the water” but rather that the water formed a boundary that these angels could not cross – or were simply prohibited from crossing. The word “river” – just means water. You could have a glass of it. Big water gets translated as lake or sea. These four angels were not allowed to cross the water until: Revelation 16:12 (NIV) 12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. My Conclusion – and again this is only my opinion. Please respond if I am not on the right track! Revelation 21:1 (NIV) 1Then I saw new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” 5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” The Great White throne Judgment is over – the Beast, Devil, Satan, false prophets, hell, and the grave have all been thrown into the “Lake of Fire:” which is the second death – (they are gone, dead, destroyed, expelled, or purged). The children of God, which includes not only us, but possibly other beings that we are currently unfamiliar with (Angels, Cherubs, etc) will be living on this new waterless earth right alongside of God. Just as Adam and Eve did in their Garden on a planetoid that had no rain, no oceans, and all of the plants watered from the ground up.
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Post by loretta on Nov 10, 2012 8:50:52 GMT -5
Thanks again, Dave for expanding on this question....this is becoming very interesting and enlightening. Makes you think more about baptism and the mikvahs of the old testament. So after all these things take place...there will be no need for the seas...their function was to purify the earth of fallen angels and contaminated people...and be a great "gulf" to keep them contained. Only fresh water likely will be on earth? There is so much of interest involved in this discussion as it relates to what is about to happen as the beast comes out of the sea...the abyss. Jonah in the fish for 3 days and nights and Jesus' descent to preach to the spirits becomes more vivid. (BTW in the great pyramid, I've always found it exciting that in the "descending passage" which leads to a "pit" it appears that there is a tunnel made "after the fact" that was not the original plan...which has implications!) I found all these articles to contain interesting material. www.greatdreams.com/replan/abyss-and-beast.htmparadoxbrown.com/genesis6sonsofgodfallenangels.htm/ www.thewholetruthnow.com/lowerearth.htmwww.powerpointparadise.com/heaven/pyramid/pyramid2.htm
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Post by Richard on Nov 13, 2012 14:32:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the links Loretta. Look at this passage from one of your suggested links:
Dan 3:23-27 "And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace......Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king......He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God......Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire......And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them."
In an environment that should be fatal to humans, these 3 men survived without a scratch – why? – because they were in the presence of the fourth man. This fourth man was “… like the Son of God.” So, the fourth man could have been Christ, Himself, or a messenger from God (which gets translated into English as an Angel.)
It reminds me of the future earth. Catastrophic earth changes will have contaminated our planet beyond imagine. Toxic sludge and radioactive contaminates spread globally, an environment lethal to humans as we are now. But, we will be changed, altered, evolved, through the quickening and we will all be in the presence of the fourth guy – Christ / God – as well as, other heavenly entities, i.e: Angels, cherubs, etc!
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Post by loretta on Nov 14, 2012 12:50:13 GMT -5
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Post by Richard on Nov 15, 2012 17:39:35 GMT -5
Loretta – here is some Gnostic scripture for you:
This is the very first chapter from the Book of Enoch. I understand that you local preacher /pastor /or priest will inform you that ROME and Christendom does not consider the Book of Enoch as scripture of kind. However, this text is straight out of the “Coptic Bible, Larger set,” which we know as the Eastern Orthodox Church.
My point is this – this text was written before the flood – in fact, it is the only surviving text from that time. Even if you cannot believe that, you must know that this text was written in Coptic Egyptian sometime around 200BC – no matter how you look at it this text is very very old.
“Book of Enoch - Chapter 1 1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. 2 And he took up his parable and said – Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is to come. 3 Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them: The Holy One will come forth from His dwelling, 4 And the eternal God will tread upon the earth, even on Mount Sinai, And appear from His camp And appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heavens. 5 And all shall be smitten with fear, And the Watchers shall quake, And great fear and trembling seize them unto the ends of the earth. 6 And the high mountains shall be made low, And shall melt like wax before the flame. 7 And the earth shall be wholly rent in sunder, And all that is upon the earth shall perish, And there shall be a judgment upon all men. 8 But with the righteous He will make peace, And will protect the elect, And mercy shall be upon them. And they shall belong to God, And they shall be prospered, And they shall be blessed. And He will help them all, And light shall appear unto them, And He will make peace with them. 9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgment upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”
So – how does this ancient text fit alongside Roman Christendom theology?
How does this text fit alongside of future earth change predictions?
How does this text fit alongside New Testament Revelations?
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Post by Richard on Nov 20, 2012 17:21:01 GMT -5
More from the Book of Enoch about future earth change
Chapter 51:4 And in those days shall the mountains leap like rams, And the hills also shall skip like the lambs satisfied with milk, And the faces of all the angels in heaven shall be lighted up with joy. 5 And the earth shall rejoice, And the righteous shall dwell upon it, And the elect shall walk thereon.
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