10 Dimensions of Space and 1 Dimension of Time

[Dave]

Definition - Dimension of Space

An independent locality of existence, A physical place to be. Unlike the Dimension of Time which transcends all 10 Dimensions of space.

Current Evidence

String Theory Physics is a child of Quantum Physics spawned by super-collider observations. Between Newton, Einstein, and Quantum Physics our scientist thought they we on the right track of discovery until observation from super-colliders seemed to violate the very Laws-of-Nature. Some small sub-atomic particle appeared to spin off and disappear. Energy can not be created or destroyed - only translated or transmuted. So, where did these sub-atomic particles go?

Pre-existing math was rediscovered from the 1700s and all observations are mathematically describable and predictable; however, it is this math set that also predicts 10 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time. String Theory Physics.

Ancient Evidence

The Book of Enoch - Written by Enoch before the flood, making it the absolute most ancient text. Or, it is the written account of the oral account of Enoch penned after the flood. Either case - ancient text. Current version from Egypt Coptic around 325BC and the Dead Sea Scrolls. Either way - very old text indeed. Regardless if they are actually scripture, companion to scripture, or secular - very old text indeed.

Enoch, tells his story of being taken up into heaven and being given a tour. He stopped and looked around in heavens 1-7. In each he recorded it as a separated and distinct locality. Then the Arch Angel Gabriel sweep Enoch up and sets him before the face of the Lord and Enoch simultaneously sees heavens 8,9,&10.

3 Dimensionality

Enoch is a 3 dimensional guy, just as you and I. Needing 3 dimensions - 3 heavens - 8, 9, &10 - to interact with God is not surprising at all. You and I are well aware we are 3 dimensional in construct.

The Holy Trinity

By definition this reality is a 3 dimensional reality
1D - A single point that contains all points - all data - omniscience
2D - An omnidirectional plane - the matrix / either of reality - omnipresent.
3D - HxWxL - here - us - creation - the ultimate expression of - omnipotence.

Omniscience + omnipresent + omnipotent = Trinity
All Knowing Father + Holy Spirit + Creation / Christ = Trinity

John 1 - American Standard Version (ASV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.

Heavens 1-7

This portion of the cosmology need much research / discussion. Any comments at all are appreciated, but there are a few themes I want to point out.

Enoch saw 10 heavens - 1-7 and then 8, 9, & 10, 3+7=10
String Theory Physics predicts 10 Ds of Space
If Ds 1+2=3 - our 3 dimensional reality - science has our 3Ds and then 7 more undefined, 3+7=10

In the Hebrew heaven is always a plural word - in fact - there are 7 different Hebrew words use in the OT translated as Heaven. The more orthodox Jews believe this as an indication of 7 heavens. In fact, the expression - I am in 7th heaven - is a Jewish expression.

Islam and the Koran is full of references to 7 heavens

Hindus have 7 Heavens

Do Christians have multiple heavens?

Paul journeyed up to the 3rd heaven. Christian theologians explain this as heaven 1 = the breathable ATM, heaven 2 = space, and heaven 3 = just = heaven. Then why did Paul feel the need to quantitate? Why didn't he just say heaven? Many Christians preach that some will be at the right hand - doesn't that open the door to the left hand and elsewhere. Some heaven bound people are elect, some are saints, some are hoping to reap the rewards they have earned in heaven.

Is it just - Hell, Here, and Heaven? = 3
Or is it - Hell, Purgatory, Here, and heaven? = 4
Or is it - a lot more complicated that small little man imagined?

From all the evidence - the suggestion is - 3+7=10

[nic]

I am interested in the Multi Dimensional aspects of the universe and our own existence. In recent times more work has been done in this field and the works of Umberto Di Garcia are also intriguing from a scientific perspective. I ponder this: Does the transfiguration of Jesus (Matthew 17:1–8 = Mark 9:2–10 = Luke 9:28–36) give us reason to believe that a doorway to a multidimentional existence is available to such as the scene described in the passages above, and if so, does this give more credence to the new age movement that is advocating such a change in human consciousness as a possible path to be taken by humanity. I am Christian and much like you Dave have pondered questions deemed inappropriate for discussion in church circles, most of my life. I am grateful that we now have the tools and opportunity to express ourselves, thanks to the internet. I'd love to hear any comments on the transfiguration and the multidimensional existence that we all have but are unaware of...

[Dave]

Boy you are talking to the right guy.

Nic, welcome – I love your question – early in my life I also Ponder this question of “other dimensions.” The writings of Jaques Vallee made my grandest idea seem somewhat acceptable. He was France’s leading UFO investigator. He had a long and prestigious history with the French government as a scientist, especially in the area of electronics. He began his UFO investigations as France’s answer to Project Blue Book. His first reports were the usual UFO speak of the day, but around 1980 his writing took an interesting turn – connecting the UFO phenomena with religious cults - concluding that at least some of reported UFO sightings were of a trans-dimensional origin.

Visitors from other dimensions – who seem to be able to access our dimension for short periods of time. Evidently they have some type of “gate” or “portal” they can access from their dimension.

Throw in all the religious / spiritual references to visitors from outside our dimension – angels, demons, Satan, ghost, Christ, and the concepts of heaven and hell (although I am not a hell believer as the Baptist or Calvinist).

My argument over and over is always about vocabulary – the disparity between Hades and Hell is just one small example. To me the words heaven and hell are just “vocabulary” to describe other localities of reality – call them dimensions, realms of existence, or whatever and they all refer to.

Science says, 10 dimensions of space and one of time (string theory)

Religion says – well it depends on the era – examples:
Today, after Rome’s influence upon Christendom, all we have left is 3 or 4 localities of reality, here, heaven, hell, and possibly purgatory. However, if you examine the most ancient text you soon discover that even religion has 7 heavens.

Islam – the Koran comes right out and speaks of 7 heavens (I have the scripture reference if you want it)

Hindi has 7 heavens that each has two sides, one side good and one bad totaling 14

Judaism has 7 heavens – although today, I am hard pressed to find someone that will discuss them with me. On the surface it appears as if there are 7 different words used for heaven in the Tannach (Hebrew Scripture). I have abused my Jewish friends with a million questions about these seven words, but not one of them will say anything different than each word is used to illuminate different aspects within the one heaven, or that the words are meant to describe a veil, or our atmosphere, or even space.

In Christendom, we have the story of Paul visiting the third heaven – yet every commentary on this subject has Paul’s heaven 1 as our breathable atmosphere, heaven 2 as space, and heaven 3 as just plain ol’e heaven

But luckily, I am not a Rome centered Christian, I choose to look at all the text, not just the canon Rome allows us to read.

The oldest writing on this planet is Enoch, who clearly defines 7 heavens, or localities of existence.
From the Jewish Midrash, there is the Zohar which has three specific chapters dealing specifically with the 7 heavens, Chapter XVII. The Devachanic or Heavenly Spheres, Chapter XVIII. Higher Devachanic or Heavenly Spheres, and Chapter XX. Devachanic Spheres and Mansions. The story from within the Zohar also clearly defines 7 different heavens, or localities of existence.

Add to that the The Apocalypse of Paul and again the story tells of 7 different heavens.

In Enoch, The Zohar, and the Apocalypse of Paul the story reads: In heaven 1 I saw this or that, again in heaven 2, then 3-7, all complete with life forms and all subject to God.

The most interesting item, for me, is from the Book of Enoch. He begins his journey through the heavens in heaven 1, then 2-7. In heaven 7 he was left standing alone for a moment, before the angel Gabriel swept him up and set him before the face of the Lord. In doing so, Enoch saw heavens 8, 9, & 10.

You and I, as well as Enoch, are 3D creatures – how else could have Enoch interacted except in a 3D construct.

It is just obvious that we live in a 3D reality. In my example of reality: here is 3D + the 7 heavens = 10D

When science, or anyone, speaks of other dimensions – they are always going up in dimensions 4 or more. No one speaks to the 3D that form our reality. This is where I get excited – examine this 3D scientifically.

1st D – a single point that contains all points, paraphrase = a single point that contains all data, which is omniscience by definition. All Knowing.
2nd D – a planer reality, the either or matrix of our universe, which is omnipresent.
3rd D – our reality is – according to John 1:1-4 – God expressing himself into our corporeal reality as Christ. Omnipotent.

Bang!- is that not the TRINITY?

Then you have the other dimensions of science, theology, and science fiction – all based upon the foundation of our 3D.

As a multidimensionalist, I need no further proof of a single supreme being at the very heart and foundation of the all – that 1st dimensional point that forms the foundation for all the rest. The SINGULATITY – that entity man can never see – the Father – the “I am”


Now to your question of new age dimensional gateways / portals and whether the new age concept of getting there on your own.

Apocryphal text – The Apocryphon of James
"These are the things that I shall tell you so far; now, however, I shall ascend to the place from whence I came. But you, when I was eager to go, have cast me out, and instead of accompanying me, you have pursued me. But pay heed to the glory that awaits me, and, having opened your heart, listen to the hymns that await me up in the heavens; for today I must take (my place at) the right hand of the Father. But I have said (my) last word to you, and I shall depart from you, for a chariot of spirit has borne me aloft, and from this moment on, I shall strip myself, that I may clothe myself. But give heed; blessed are they who have proclaimed the Son before his descent, that when I have come, I might ascend (again). Thrice blessed are they who were proclaimed by the Son before they came to be, that you might have a portion among them."
Having said these words, he departed. But we bent (our) knee(s), I and Peter, and gave thanks, and sent our heart(s) upwards to heaven. We heard with our ears, and saw with our eyes, the noise of wars, and a trumpet blare, and a great turmoil.
And when we had passed beyond that place, we sent our mind(s) farther upwards, and saw with our eyes and heard with our ears hymns, and angelic benedictions, and angelic rejoicing. And heavenly majesties were singing praise, and we, too, rejoiced.
After this again, we wished to send our spirit upward to the Majesty, and after ascending, we were not permitted to see or hear anything, for the other disciples called us and asked us, "What did you hear from the Master. And what has he said to you? And where did he go?"
But we answered them, ‘He has ascended, and has given us a pledge, and promised life to us all …’”

Did not Jesus invite his disciples to follow him into heaven, or at least peer into heaven?

Evidently we can cross the barrier from this side on our own, but only if we have help from the other side.

Christ says, you cannot enter the Kingdom of heaven without being born again. Flesh gives birth to flesh – spirit gives birth to spirit. Most Christians see this statement as being baptized by the Holy Spirit, the awakening of that spark that is already within us. Christ also says, ’Knock and the door will be open to you.’

Enoch, Elisha, and Jacob were all invited guest to heaven – the door opened from the spirit realm into this one in order to have access to passage.

When Christ called to his disciples to follow him – he was there on the other side holding the door open for them (that is just how I see it).

In each case – it was the spirit realm that opened the door NOT our 3D realm of corporeal reality.

In each case of UFO phenomena – the door was opened from their side.

Therefore, I think it impossible for anything corporeal to enter a non-corporeal reality.

An example from Hollywood would be the ‘Lawnmower Man’ – his physical self didn’t enter the machine, it was his essence. It wasn’t his corporeal self, but the non-corporeal aspect of his persona that entered the realm of electricity.

This is exactly why Christ was transfigured on the mount.

This is also why no man can make the crossing on his own. The Buddhist have been trying for a long time, has anyone made it? Dionetics, Scientology, or other New Age replacements for Christianity are traps and dead ends.

Only, if a man be born again of spirit can he enter the Kingdom of heaven. There is only one religious stance that promotes this idea and that is Christianity, and as a Christian, that brings the topic right back to Christ is the only way.

Well – not exactly – there is one other way – DEATH! After death your spirit is free to enter, but now the question becomes complicated – enter where? Which heaven? (Remember heaven is just another word for dimension and some of those dimensions spoke of by Enoch, Paul, and the Rabbis that wrote the Zohar were neither pleasant nor inviting.

[Dave]

Apr 9, 2013 22:01:39 GMT -5 Dave said:

Well – not exactly – there is one other way – DEATH! After death your spirit is free to enter, but now the question becomes complicated – enter where? Which heaven? (Remember heaven is just another word for dimension and some of those dimensions spoke of by Enoch, Paul, and the Rabbis that wrote the Zohar were neither pleasant nor inviting.

Here is an interesting concept from the Hindu

Everything has a vibrational energy and frequency. When we die, our spirit continues and eventually finds it home in the afterlife, by finding the vibrational frequency they are in harmony with.

So, if you die and your spirit is in chaos - your spirit will be at home in the chaos in the afterlife.

If you die, and your spirit is at peace - your spirit will find that frequency in the afterlife as well.


WOW - here's to "Good Vibes Man!"

[Richard]

If you want to be super technical:

You speak of string theory a lot. Isn't it built upon tiny VIBRATING strings?

How about those "VIBES" man.

Attachments:

[nic]

Dave, Since there is much evidence that the universe is actually made of consciousness, and there are such things as Out Of Body Experiences, it may be possible for us to travel anywhere we choose in our thoughts. Indeed we are sort of "trapped" in this 3d human experience and although it seems real perhaps other realities that we can imagine are just as real as the reality loops we find ourselves in everyday.
With practice perhaps we can develop new skills that allow us to expand our consciousness. Our Pineal gland which is relatively inactive during conscious states, secretes Di Methyl Tryptamine "DMT" which has been documented to have taken people into a different realm of existence and there's much controversy about this. We are not meant to have this ability as a switch on and off type of effect yet we have been programmed to evolve. We only use about 10-20% of our brains and there is much encoded into us that is yet to become activated. There is no doubt that we are living in a distressed planet and that we are on a knife edge. Our knowledge is growing so fast now that we are transforming the way we do everything. Everything is changing so rapidly and so perhaps we are too. Perhaps the knowledge of the ancients and the power for consciousness to connect like never before will lead to a transfiguration of sorts where the people unite and over throw the corrupt leaders that want to enslave us all.

[nic]

I believe we each have different characters that are based on our emotions. The highest of all emotions is Love and that is what we have been directed to do by Jesus, ie "Love one another as I have loved you". However there are more emotions, hate, avarice and greed, fear, jealously as well as compassion, joy etc. If you have compassion, joy etc you will likely also have love, if you have jealousy greed and hate you will most likely be further away from true love. A mixture of each of these emotions goes into making a character. Each of these emotions has its own vibrational frequency, when we die, depending on which emotions we hold in our hearts, that is how we get separated to in the afterlife. Those with love in their hearts as their main driving force, that also recognize the Lord Jesus get to go to Christian heaven. That is the ultimate of the places to be for eternity. Those with other faiths will also have their faiths fulfilled, but the best story for the after life existence is to be with the Lord, the other places will have struggle and not be as pleasant.

[Dave]

“I believe we each have different characters that are based on our emotions. The highest of all emotions is Love and that is what we have been directed to do by Jesus, ie "Love one another as I have loved you". However there are more emotions, hate, avarice and greed, fear, jealously as well as compassion, joy etc. If you have compassion, joy etc you will likely also have love, if you have jealousy greed and hate you will most likely be further away from true love. A mixture of each of these emotions goes into making a character. Each of these emotions has its own vibrational frequency,…”

There is a post in this forum about 1 Cor 13 – I could be amazing, but If I don’t have love I am lost.

Please tell me how this scripture ties into your presentation –

Q- "Love one another as I have loved you" – is this something humanity can accomplish on their own – to love as Christ did?

Many of us believe that “Perfect Love” as experienced by Christ is far above anything biology is able to produce. Scripture tells us this is only possible by being ‘Born Again,’ ‘only spirit can give birth to spirit,’ ‘baptized by the Holy Spirit,’ or the ‘indwelling of Jesus Christ within us.’

[rognyt23]

If we accept the string theory, it makes sense that God spoke (vibrations) and the earth and heavens came into being. All that we can see or test, it just the lingering remains of His word(s). I'm not confident that the book of Enoch can be relied upon for any source of truth, but for the existence of 3 realms we have Jesus telling us about the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16). It begins in the corporal world but the two passed into the spirit realms with a "great gulf" fixed between where NONE can pass. None of hell to place of paradise or reverse. For those in paradise, the possibility of returning to the corporal was not refuted. The rich man was apparently convinced by some reason that he could not go to his brothers but it would be possible for Lazarus to go. Abraham's answer was that it would do no good, and it is understood that God would not do that which served no purpose..

[Dave]

Jul 13, 2013 18:07:54 GMT -5 rognyt23 said:

I'm not confident that the book of Enoch can be relied upon for any source of truth, ...

No one here has ever claimed that Enoch is (what Christendom describes as) God Breathed, or God inspired.

Does anyone claim that the writings of John Calvin were inspired? Yet, there were enough to define a Protestant denomination that numbers into the millions of followers.

How about writings of John Lightfoot that gave rise to the Anglican Church of England.

Don’t forget John Wesly who had just as much impact on the Church of England.

Seventh-day Adventist Church was completely formed around the teachings of William Miller.

AND any student of Catholicism cannot deny the imprint left on Christendom by St Jerome, St Augustine, or St Thomas Aquinas.

Concepts of dispensation, pre-, mid-, or post tribulation rapture, the gifts of the spirit, or the mandate to evangelize have all been molded more by these men than scripture itself.

The point about the Books of Enoch is that it is the oldest writing on this planet, originally penned prior to the Flood of Noah. At the time of Christ, it was well known in Rabbinic schools of mysticism. Referred to by name in the Zohar and Merkavah. Found along side of the Dead Sea Scrolls and with the Nag Hammadi Codices . Its place in Jewish history is well established.

AND – it is in total (100%) agreement with modern day cutting edge science, especially as to the duality of nature/man, and the 10-dimensions of space. Their are either in total agreement with the Zohar and Merkavah, or these ancient texts were copied from Enoch directly. The concept of 10-dimensions of space are in perfect agreement with the Apocrypha of Paul which was delivered to the Church at Corinth, of which there is no doubt of authorship, but hidden and forbidden by Christendom as well.

As for truth - Enoch supports science, therefore science supports Enoch. Does one validate the other?

During he inquisition of Giordano Bruno, 1594-1600, he was asked a question that began with, ‘But according to Catholic truth?’ To which he replied, ‘This question implies that there are two truths, one Catholic and one Philosophical.’ He went on to say, “Truth does not change because it is, or is not believed …” (footnote from my next book - Our multidimensional Reality and the Archon - hopefully out this fall)

Jesus was a Jew, why does Protestantism deny its Jewish heritage?

[Dave]

Jul 13, 2013 18:07:54 GMT -5 rognyt23 said:

... but for the existence of 3 realms we have Jesus telling us about the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16). It begins in the corporal world but the two passed into the spirit realms with a "great gulf" fixed between where NONE can pass. None of hell to place of paradise or reverse. For those in paradise, the possibility of returning to the corporal was not refuted. The rich man was apparently convinced by some reason that he could not go to his brothers but it would be possible for Lazarus to go. Abraham's answer was that it would do no good, and it is understood that God would not do that which served no purpose..

3 realms and Hell

3 realms of existence are clearly identified here, but nowhere in this Luke 16 text is there a statement that this represents the totality of possible realms of existence.

There is a long discussion about this Luke 16 passage at – ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=uni&action=display&thread=41

Paul clearly identifies 3rd heaven as a locality. The expression of being in “7th Heaven” is of ancient Jewish origin.

My question for you from the Hebrew is Sheol and Gehenna - 2 localities or the same place?
My question for you from the Greek is Hades and Tartarus - 2 localities or the same place?
My question for you from the English is what was the meaning of the English word “Hell” in 1611 England and does it still mean the same thing in 21st century America?

“a "great gulf" fixed between where NONE can pass”

I am not sure of your point with this statement, but if you are referring to man on his own ability, I agree. Surely you would make the same claim as to Christ, or an Angel on a God given mission, would you? Enoch and Paul were both escorted by an angel as they made their journeys through the heavens. Paul doesn't specify, but Enoch even makes it clear that his escort wasn't allowed into the highest heavens , but rather Gabriel escorted him into the highest heaven to meet with God.