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Post by Dave on Jun 3, 2013 6:44:22 GMT -5
I almost posted this when I read the story for myself. However, from the parking lot of Camelback Mall in Phoenix looking up at Camelback Mountain is a rock formation known as - "The Praying Monk" On HWY 69 north of Canon City Colorado is another rock formation known as - "Mutant Ninja Turtle Rock" So, until I see the rat move - say it would come up to the camera and sniff the lenses, I'll just believe it to be an interesting looking rock. One of anything does not make a proof. If they find other rocks that look exactly the same - perhaps in a group - then I'll get excited. Attachments:
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Post by Virginia on Nov 18, 2013 22:44:40 GMT -5
OK Now I am really confused. Which does not take much.
Yesterday NASA sent up a satellite to whiz around Mars to look for life on Mars. I thought the Rovers were doing that. Did they find something unusual with one of the Rovers and wanted something a little faster to check stuff out?
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Post by Virginia on Nov 18, 2013 22:45:38 GMT -5
Also this last week India sent up a satellite to do the same thing?
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Post by Dave on Nov 19, 2013 11:27:12 GMT -5
Maven Mars mission18 November 2013 Look for life? From: www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24962919"Maven (the Mars Atmosphere and Volatile EvolutioN spacecraft) is equipped with eight instruments - some to understand the Sun's influence at Mars; others to investigate the composition and behavior of the atmosphere. The intention is to measure the rates at which different air molecules are being lost today, distinguishing between the various processes responsible."The point is "... to understand the processes that have robbed the world of most of its air."WEDD and FD-WEDT already give mechanism for the loss of atmosphere. Strength of planetary magnetic field to withstand the wave of solar winds that swept all inner solar system planets of their atmospheres. The wave front would have been weaker at Mars than at Earth, because of relative distance; but the magnetic field of Mars is/was very weak compared to Earth or Venus.
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Post by Dave on Nov 19, 2013 12:28:01 GMT -5
Indian Space Research Organisation ( I.S.R.O.) launched its MOM spacecraft November 5th, 2013. The real achievement might lie in its sheer frugality. This mission to Mars cost India $73 million dollars. Compare that with NASA's $671 million Maven satellite. So evidently, the true intent of this mission is not focused in high quality science. From: www.universetoday.com/105772/maven-and-mom-missions-from-nasa-and-india-plan-martian-science-collaboration-in-orbit/“MOM’s science complement comprises the tri color Mars Color Camera to image the planet and its two moons, Phobos and Deimos; the Lyman Alpha Photometer to measure the abundance of hydrogen and deuterium and understand the planets water loss process; a Thermal Imaging Spectrometer to map surface composition and mineralogy, the MENCA mass spectrometer to analyze atmospheric composition, and the Methane Sensor for Mars to measure traces of potential atmospheric methane down to the ppm level.” Planet imagery – planetary mapping – looking for non-natural formations? Cities, Buildings, Cydonia? No one says for sure this is the intent, but it is hard to rule out isn’t it. Remember, the 1998 Mars Global Surveyor images show a monolith on Martian Moon, Phobos; although, NASA assures us that it is completely unrelated to another monolith located on the surface of Mars. (Wikipedia - Phobos monolith) Thermal Imaging Spectrometer to map surface composition and mineralogy – yes this is just prospecting, but this is also able to detect large examples of non-natural forming alloys (can’t really say man-made can I?) Alloys used in construction – again - Cities, Buildings, Cydonia? From: www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2013/11/11/3888174.htm“The science looks good, too. There have been some criticisms of the decision to include a methane detector on the mission. Recent results from NASA's Curiosity Mars rover suggest that methane gas will be hard to find in the Martian atmosphere, and the Indian detector will return a negative result. This expectation is sometimes presented as if there is no point in flying the methane experiment on the Mars Orbiter Mission.
Again, this is silly. Science is not a treasure hunt. It is the quest for truth, even when the truth is not as inspiring as our expectations. The Indian mission will nicely complement the ground data from NASA's rover. Two independent results from different missions in different places will forge a stronger case. There is probably no methane on Mars, and the data from these two missions will settle the question.”Methane – the most common product of life and the easiest way to detect life. If methane is in the atmosphere anywhere then there is some form of life somewhere. Very easy and cheap science. But why do it – unless you do not believe the information being made available by NASA and the United States. If we are lying about methane, then perhaps we are lying about Cities, Buildings, and Cydonia. Interesting statement this ABC article makes - Science is not a treasure hunt. It is the quest for truth … From: www.space.com/23463-india-mars-mission-launching-tuesday.html“It's tough to reach Mars with spacecraft, and more than half of the 40 missions launched to the Red Planet since 1960 have failed.” Proof that they can do it – if they can, then is only supports arguments for further missions. Unstated reason for launching space missions.No one will say this in public, but how can a country today develop Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs) without violating some international treaty? Just look at all the attention upon Iran and Korea for developing their ICBM programs! Remember the American Atlas Rocket that launch our Mercury spacecraft was originally an ICBM - and - the Titan II Rocket that launched our Gemini spacecraft was also originally an ICBM. India is a Nuclear Power. They have the bomb. They are always at war with Pakistan (whom we gave the bomb as a deterrent to India). India is also always at odds with China, who has bombs and ICBMs of their own. India may not have a ICBM program, but if they can launch a payload to Mars, then New York, Washington DC, and Beijing are well within reach.
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Post by Richard on Nov 19, 2013 23:07:27 GMT -5
Interesting point you made!
India Is Developing Its First "Real" ICBM The Diplomat, September 19, 2013, by Zachary Keck
The Surya or Agni-VI will have an initial range of 6,000 km and be capable of carrying 10 warheads.
A scientist with the Defense Research and Development Organization, India’s military technology agency, told The New Indian Express that DRDO is secretly developing a missile with an initial range of 6,000 km (3,728 miles). Currently, India’s longest range ballistic missile is the Agni-V, which has a range of about 5,000 km.
Wikipedia said: Till 2009, it was reported that the Government of India had not considered the development of an ICBM with a range of 10,000 km or above. Speculations of an ongoing program for a longer range ICBM resurfaced in 2011. Some reports claimed that the ICBM is already named "Surya" and code named AGNI-VI.
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Post by Dillon on Nov 21, 2013 12:36:28 GMT -5
Of course India doesn't believe NASA or the American Government! Do you believe them? China is going to the moon as well. This is all about finding out what America knows and is not telling.
They lied about the Gulf of Tonkin and 58,000 American boys died. They lied about Iraq's WMDs and my son died. They have been lying about Obamacare, Global warming, Syria, UFOs, Area 51, and most everything else they speak of. Why would space be any different?
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Post by Virginia on Nov 22, 2013 12:56:34 GMT -5
Yes Dillon, We know they are hiding a lot of stuff. I ju t wonder what will happen when it all comes crashing down. A lot of people will have a lot of "splaining" to do.
I watch ancient aliens and every show about UFO's that I can find.
This stuff is really interesting. A lot of people do not know that Pres Reagon and his wife saw a UFO. They were going from his ranch in CA and pulled off the road to watch it. They ended up being late for the dinner they were going to.
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Post by Dave on Nov 29, 2013 15:42:07 GMT -5
OK - we were just talking about Indian using its deep space program as a disguise for building ICBMs.
Over the last 3-4 years, who is the anti-American rouge state wanting an ICBM?
North Korea plans space missions to Moon, Mars and asteroids 27.11.2013 | Source: Pravda.Ru
North Korea announced an intention to launch its own space rocket no later than in 2020. Reportedly, the National Space Committee of the republic approved the revised space program of the country, noting that the country should obtain a worthy place in this area for security purposes.In June 2020, North Korea plans to launch its own rocket with a 1.5-ton satellite on board. Moreover, the republic plans an unmanned mission to the Moon. In 2040, the country plans missions to Mars and asteroids. To implement the program, the government additionally allocates 410 billion won, or 386 million dollars.
The world community would never stop a country from going into space would they? Hell, America will probably give them technology and financial grants to support their efforts!
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